UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #3

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Crowd:Well your are in for a treat. As both areas are near army bases you'll get American GI's from Lakenheath and UK squaddies from other camps, some are even in uniform. You can spot the Americans as they have left hand drive cars. Also truckers, holdiday makers, strait lads, courier drivers, bikers and reps.
Directions:There are two main areas: Area 1 is the large lay-by just off the A11 towards Lakenheath on the right had side (A1065).
Area 2 is on the road to Bury St. Edmonds. Go by the Little Chef cafe and go down that road for about 1/2 mile. You'll find a large lay-by, park on there.

From cruisinggays.com assuming that's reliable information

 

[Dcflag]

Nail on head.

None of this is helping to #FindCorrie. Urgh.

No, no it isn't. But I don't think the public have any of the relevant information to make any kind of dent in the current theories aside from that he got into a vehicle whether willingly or not.

I would bet the police know a lot more than that.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Is this the layby on the way to barton Mills?
Is used to be a meeting place for Gay men,10 or so years ago a gay man was found murdered in woods at that lay by if we are talking about the same one, I'm sure no one was arrested either.

It's the one on the A1065 heading north out of Barton Mills, about 200 yards from the main roundabout.

It still seems to be a listed venue going by links posted much earlier in this discussion.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

No, no it isn't. But I don't think the public have any of the relevant information to make any kind of dent in the current theories aside from that he got into a vehicle whether willingly or not.

I would bet the police know a lot more than that.

I bloody hope so!

 

[MelmothTheLost]

So his intentions may not have been to participate in anything sexual himself assuming this is the case.

That is true, of course, but one would have to ask why one would go there at that time of the morning just to watch?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Did he eat dinner before he went out?

No dinner could equal both rapid intoxication and buying lots of takeaway to soak it up.

Even if he did eat before he went out, by the time he came to buy all the food he did it was probably at least 4 hours and possibly 6 hours since he'd eaten so his stomach woulld have been empty by then anyway.

 

[rogerthelodger]

Thank you .
Yes area 2 is the one I meant, now you mention the other one I do know of it but both as far as I know are as you typed gay sites not dogging sites unless its changed.
I wasn't even aware the layby one existed until the murder.

 

[MidsummersDay]

If he was taken for a night of passion lets say, that he had pre arranged to meet this person (hence the waiting), then either this person is very lucky to have evaded any trace or this was cleverly planned with the person knowing they were going to do something to corrie. A huge risk for the person who had taken him but recently a gay man has been convicted of date rapping his victims and dumping their body's in the street. The lunatic got away with it for a while.

Corrie had to be waiting for someone. Someone to pick him up from that area.

Still doesn't give reason to the phone going where it did.

Arrggghhhh so confusing....


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There seems to have been a hell of a lot of misleads, contradictions and ambiguities in the presentation of 'facts' in this case. One of the so called 'statements' which I referred to earlier that seems to have fallen on deaf ears or ignored was the comment made by his brother during a press conference.
He was asked whether anyone had had contact with Corrie since he went missing to which his brother replied that he'd received a picture image of Corrie at 0308.
Again, I'll open it up to the forum for further rumerations. Could this have been a slight bending of the truth? Could his brother have taken the wrap for Corrie's phone sending a picture image to an ad hoc Grinder/Tinder hookup organised during the day or after leaving the nightclub (likelier in my opinion)? It would explain:
The wait
The excess alcohol for Dutch courage
The darkened and secluded area for hookup
The easy and quick access out of BSE
His disappearance from the area (by vehicle)
His long term disappearance (surprised husband finding her phone message).

Before anyone comments....think hard. A constructive answer as to the reasons for are better than against.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

The issue I have with the families portrayal of Corrie is that it's not consistent. Much was made of him not sleeping in his car because of the legalities of it, but he was drinking in his car prior and most likely urinated in the street. He would accept a lift from strangers, why would he not get a taxi? He would have walked home but has never done it before?

To be honest I think they are spinning the situation to varying degrees, either to protect his reputation or their image of him. I can't help thinking that the more likely it becomes that he is dead (a cert now, IMHO) the more they might want to start protecting his memory.

 

[Amonet]

I thought Corrie bought two burgers and a kebab? I know when I eat that I see someone else's food after I've ordered and often fancy some of theirs....I figured that's all that happened, and Corrie ended up with one slice out of a fairly decent-sized pizza?

I don't know how inconsistent all these things really are? They're not supposed to be about specifics, they're really far more about guessing what someone's actions will be in a particular situation. So the police ask the family, "is he the type who'd walk back to base?" The family say that he's used to walking home long distances after a night out, because he's done that when he's at home in Scotland? And one of the lads from the base has told the family that it's not unknown for people to walk back, and I've learned from another source that it's not unknown for people from base to go for a night out in BSE and then walk back.

Just because it turned out that Corrie had never personally done that walk back to base doesn't mean he wouldn't ever consider it. Those searches weren't a waste of time because there's a first time for everything, and the first time might be the one where something goes wrong...possibly because it's the first time there's more chance of it going wrong.

So what we really learned is that walking long distances at 3 am, getting a lift with a stranger, peeing in the street if there's no public bathroom (to be honest where else does someone go if there's no bathroom available and they have to 'go'?), we were never really told that these things were out of character.

So his family might think he toed the straight-and-narrow line a bit more than he does...but he's been hundreds of miles from home in the RAF for the past 3 years, he may have developed a few 'bad habits' in that time. Even kids living at home who at 14 were totally anti-drugs might end up at 17 going out to get high,while their parents still think of them being anti-drugs and not knowing how much that's changed.

The issue I have with the families portrayal of Corrie is that it's not consistent. Much was made of him not sleeping in his car because of the legalities of it, but he was drinking in his car prior and most likely urinated in the street. He would accept a lift from strangers, why would he not get a taxi? He would have walked home but has never done it before?

It's hard to gauge what is normal for him when it appears information is so conflicted.

Why play a game for someone's pizza when he then brought his own?

 

[Amonet]

Not sure if you're referring to the same case, but yes there was a man murdered around there. I went off and looked it up and it turned out that the murderer was claiming that the murdered man had abused him for years, and had often taken him to that spot for sex. On this occasion all the years of abuse had built up to anger, and instead of acquiescing to sex he murdered the man.

Is this the layby on the way to barton Mills?
Is used to be a meeting place for Gay men,10 or so years ago a gay man was found murdered in woods at that lay by if we are talking about the same one, I'm sure no one was arrested either.

 

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In Nicolas message where she says the phone is in the bin lorry (which was quickly discounted as she also states the phone has not been found, although if police are searching landfill that doesn't really prove it wasn't in the lorry) she also states Corrie has been separated from his phone, is this also a pinch of salt comment from her?

 

[JamesKing]

His behaviour that night (if it was only "that night") could indeed be deemed "non patterned behaviour".

Missing his lift into town
Drinking in his car
Leaving the club early
Lots of food
Refusing the lift
Two hour wait/nap/play with phone

Why do the police (via the BBC) keep saying "he had a nap and was about to walk home" and the family say keep saying that he may have "unwillingly or willingly left in a car".

Clearly, on the night in question he had no intent to "vanish" for 7 weeks. Surely "criminal intent" could be at least implied ?

And why is this "willingly or unwillingly" always stated, is it "the norm" that "sober drivers leaving Bury are highly likely to offer lifts to young men in a Garrison town" ?

It just seems like we're not being "informed" of anything.
May be I an a sceptic these days. I don't know.

 

[Dcflag]

I thought Corrie bought two burgers and a kebab? I know when I eat that I see someone else's food after I've ordered and often fancy some of theirs....I figured that's all that happened, and Corrie ended up with one slice out of a fairly decent-sized pizza?

I don't know how inconsistent all these things really are? They're not supposed to be about specifics, they're really far more about guessing what someone's actions will be in a particular situation. So the police ask the family, "is he the type who'd walk back to base?" The family say that he's used to walking home long distances after a night out, because he's done that when he's at home in Scotland? And one of the lads from the base has told the family that it's not unknown for people to walk back, and I've learned from another source that it's not unknown for people from base to go for a night out in BSE and then walk back.

Just because it turned out that Corrie had never personally done that walk back to base doesn't mean he wouldn't ever consider it. Those searches weren't a waste of time because there's a first time for everything, and the first time might be the one where something goes wrong...possibly because it's the first time there's more chance of it going wrong.

So what we really learned is that walking long distances at 3 am, getting a lift with a stranger, peeing in the street if there's no public bathroom (to be honest where else does someone go if there's no bathroom available and they have to 'go'?), we were never really told that these things were out of character.

So his family might think he toed the straight-and-narrow line a bit more than he does...but he's been hundreds of miles from home in the RAF for the past 3 years, he may have developed a few 'bad habits' in that time. Even kids living at home who at 14 were totally anti-drugs might end up at 17 going out to get high,while their parents still think of them being anti-drugs and not knowing how much that's changed.

All true. I think my biggest issues come from the hundreds of people who jump on you on the Facebook group if you suggest for example why didn't he sleep in his car with the cries of he wouldn't because he's a serviceman and it's illegal.

I still think the family have released inconsistencies but that doesn't mean I think it should maliciously done or even intentional.

 

[JamesKing]

In Nicolas message where she says the phone is in the bin lorry (which was quickly discounted as she also states the phone has not been found, although if police are searching landfill that doesn't really prove it wasn't in the lorry) she also states Corrie has been separated from his phone, is this also a pinch of salt comment from her?

No idea where the landfill actually is !

Rubbish in the area is either recycled if applicable....
...or incinerated in Ipswich.

That's another thing that doesn't get mentioned on Facebook. People can't go and "search the landfill" because there isn't one !


Edit... the family know this as the police surely have informed them of what happened to the rubbish.
And so the rubbish wasn't "recyclable clean cardboard or paper that would be sorted" NOR landfill waste either !!!

Yet the "requests" continue.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Even if he did eat before he went out, by the time he came to buy all the food he did it was probably at least 4 hours and possibly 6 hours since he'd eaten so his stomach woulld have been empty by then anyway.

I would have imagined a certain 'dining facilty' would have closed at 6.

 

[Amonet]

I think she's typing on a phone and not using a computer...that often leads to people contracting sentences a lot, and I think she's simply missed out some words that to us are actually critical, but in her state of mind she just wanted to get the thoughts out.

I think what she was trying to say is that "Corrie *could* have been separated from his phone. His phone *might* have gone into the bin", but she missed out the 'could' and 'might' parts and it sounded a lot more certain and factual than it really was.

I still get the impression of Nicola that she's been getting by on an hour or two of nightmare-filled sleep, after crying herself to sleep, and that a lot of the time she's keeping busy and hyperfocused on what 'she' can do, because the only alternative is a total breakdown. I'm not saying this in a critical sense, but only out of a sense of empathy and concern. She's doing a very good job of bringing her work skills into play to appear a lot more clear-minded than I think she really is. Again, I'm not saying that to criticise, but because that's totally natural in her position to be at breaking point, and I think in general she's trying to cover that up for the public, and also maybe wanting to put on a brave face for her boys.

In Nicolas message where she says the phone is in the bin lorry (which was quickly discounted as she also states the phone has not been found, although if police are searching landfill that doesn't really prove it wasn't in the lorry) she also states Corrie has been separated from his phone, is this also a pinch of salt comment from her?

 

[CarrieJ]

It's always a possibilty. I wouldn't necessarily rule out putting him in a car unwillingly in a public place because of his military training, my other half is in the armed forces and could probably be stupid enough to be taken unawares at 3am after a few drinks. Whatever has happened after getting into said car is a mystery.

Has this been suggested as a scenario?: Corrie knew who the silver car belonged to, so if he had made some sort of arrangement to meet up with the car's owner (say, when their shift ended), then all he had to do was wait within sight of the car until it's owner turned up - hence the long wait in Hughes' doorway.

 

[Dcflag]

No idea where the landfill actually is !

Rubbish in the area is either recycled if applicable....
...or incinerated in Ipswich.

That's another thing that doesn't get mentioned on Facebook. People can't go and "search the landfill" because there isn't one !

Haha! I can't say I'd know either way. I was literally just reading the arguments over this rubbish for the millionth time. Apparently on Saturday nights biffa collect general waste and not recycling.

 

[GB124]

It does show someone approach him while he slept, Nicola confirmed this