UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #3

[Dcflag]

I think she's typing on a phone and not using a computer...that often leads to people contracting sentences a lot, and I think she's simply missed out some words that to us are actually critical, but in her state of mind she just wanted to get the thoughts out.

I think what she was trying to say is that "Corrie *could* have been separated from his phone. His phone *might* have gone into the bin", but she missed out the 'could' and 'might' parts and it sounded a lot more certain and factual than it really was.

I still get the impression of Nicola that she's been getting by on an hour or two of nightmare-filled sleep, after crying herself to sleep, and that a lot of the time she's keeping busy and hyperfocused on what 'she' can do, because the only alternative is a total breakdown. I'm not saying this in a critical sense, but only out of a sense of empathy and concern. She's doing a very good job of bringing her work skills into play to appear a lot more clear-minded than I think she really is. Again, I'm not saying that to criticise, but because that's totally natural in her position to be at breaking point, and I think in general she's trying to cover that up for the public, and also maybe wanting to put on a brave face for her boys.

I agree with you, she seems to be doing the bulk alone, I rarely see corries brother commenting or have much of a presence. I jut wanted to clarify that there is no confirmation he has been separated from his phone.

 

[JamesKing]

I think she's typing on a phone and not using a computer...that often leads to people contracting sentences a lot, and I think she's simply missed out some words that to us are actually critical, but in her state of mind she just wanted to get the thoughts out.

I think what she was trying to say is that "Corrie *could* have been separated from his phone. His phone *might* have gone into the bin", but she missed out the 'could' and 'might' parts and it sounded a lot more certain and factual than it really was.

I still get the impression of Nicola that she's been getting by on an hour or two of nightmare-filled sleep, after crying herself to sleep, and that a lot of the time she's keeping busy and hyperfocused on what 'she' can do, because the only alternative is a total breakdown. I'm not saying this in a critical sense, but only out of a sense of empathy and concern. She's doing a very good job of bringing her work skills into play to appear a lot more clear-minded than I think she really is. Again, I'm not saying that to criticise, but because that's totally natural in her position to be at breaking point, and I think in general she's trying to cover that up for the public, and also maybe wanting to put on a brave face for her boys.

At the centre of all this, we must remember that she must be going through absolute hell.

And that she will, more than anyone, calculate the inevitable.

But as I stand on the sidelines of this, I can only think, I would not like to be her position and "hoping" the police find my missing person. It appears to be an absolutely shambolic investigation.

...and I think this is how the average "missing persons" is conducted. And that is very scary.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I jut wanted to clarify that there is no confirmation he has been separated from his phone.

In which case he must, in theory, have been in and around Barton Mills between approximately 4.30am and 8am when his phone went dead.

 

[Amonet]

For some reason, early on we 'assumed' the collection was of recyclable waste from Greggs.

Then we learned that if it was a Biffa collection that it probably wouldn't go to a council site but to a Biffa site for sorting, and paper would be separated and then baled up for sale.

Why did we think it was recyclables? Why did we think it was a Biffa collection? Now it seems to have been general waste that went to the Mildenhall waste and recycling centre, which seems to be more of a recycling facility with a public "bring househould waste and electricals here" type centre, and I can't see why any bin other than a council recycling bin would be going there?

The bin lorry was taken by police in the first week for forensic examination. The family have told us that the police did initially put a hold on 'the landfill' but then decided not to search and released it back for business.

Now we have things about tacograph data being examined, and I'm sure I read that the police have brought in specialists to examine the data from the cellular mast, but they did also say there were legal issues with regards to getting information on every single phone that pinged that mast that night.

The searches have now gone beyond the Mildenhall recycling centre, to the southbound/eastbound A14 that goes past Rougham, and in the other direction to slightly north of Lakenheath.

Does all this add up to the bin lorry still being in play or not?

To me, it does say that the police are working really hard on this investigation, and they have been the whole time, it's just that like us they're suffering from a major paucity of leads, but by now they may have leads that they are following but don't want to make public.

We're still going around in circles on this for the same reason there are 60K+ people in the FB group...we just can't get it out of our minds...we care, and we want to know what happened, and the only alternative to going around in circles is to walk away and wait for a police announcement.

 

[JamesKing]

I agree with you, she seems to be doing the bulk alone, I rarely see corries brother commenting or have much of a presence. I jut wanted to clarify that there is no confirmation he has been separated from his phone.

No confirmation he was without it or with it.
Or is still with it or without it.

 

[Dcflag]

In which case he must, in theory, have been in and around Barton Mills between approximately 4.30am and 8am when his phone went dead.

In theory yes, the new searches make me think they suspect the phone was separated however.

If he did travel in a vehicle with his phone within those time limits surely it would make it easier for the police to narrow down potential vehicles?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

In theory yes, the new searches make me think they suspect the phone was separated however.

If he did travel in a vehicle with his phone within those time limits surely it would make it easier for the police to narrow down potential vehicles?

Perhaps. I've just had a look around the main roundabout on the A11 at Barton Mills and was surprised to see there are no cameras in evidence anywhere covering the roundabout or any of the roads leading off it. I'm slightly surprised by that, given that there are 3 significant military bases in the area.

 

[JamesKing]

For some reason, early on we 'assumed' the collection was of recyclable waste from Greggs.

Then we learned that if it was a Biffa collection that it probably wouldn't go to a council site but to a Biffa site for sorting, and paper would be separated and then baled up for sale.

Why did we think it was recyclables? Why did we think it was a Biffa collection? Now it seems to have been general waste that went to the Mildenhall waste and recycling centre, which seems to be more of a recycling facility with a public "bring househould waste and electricals here" type centre, and I can't see why any bin other than a council recycling bin would be going there?

The bin lorry was taken by police in the first week for forensic examination. The family have told us that the police did initially put a hold on 'the landfill' but then decided not to search and released it back for business.

Now we have things about tacograph data being examined, and I'm sure I read that the police have brought in specialists to examine the data from the cellular mast, but they did also say there were legal issues with regards to getting information on every single phone that pinged that mast that night.

The searches have now gone beyond the Mildenhall recycling centre, to the southbound/eastbound A14 that goes past Rougham, and in the other direction to slightly north of Lakenheath.

Does all this add up to the bin lorry still being in play or not?

To me, it does say that the police are working really hard on this investigation, and they have been the whole time, it's just that like us they're suffering from a major paucity of leads, but by now they may have leads that they are following but don't want to make public.

We're still going around in circles on this for the same reason there are 60K+ people in the FB group...we just can't get it out of our minds...we care, and we want to know what happened, and the only alternative to going around in circles is to walk away and wait for a police announcement.

The waste going to the "centre".
They do take waste like that...as in, kind of a depot.
They'll have a hopper there (for bulk transport).
But arriving at 4am seems odd. Maybe they have keys ?

Recyclable. We got there because the reports were, it was "waste paper". Who told the reporters, God knows.

Cell Masts. You can interrogate cell mast data (not just mobile phone data) BUT that will mean you also "access" other data, such as what other phones pinged off that mast.
At this point you are into a whole new legal ball game. Just because Corrie went missing and his phone pinged off that mast doesn't mean you can look at ALL the mast data. Someone who is not involved may say (rightly or wrongly), what right have you to look at my data. And the police have no right. Not in a Missing Persons at least.

 

[JamesKing]

Cell Mast Data....

I'll see if it comes under PACE (Police and Criminal Evidence Act), but I think there is a different Act that protects that data.

And PACE isn't for "Missing Persons".

If Corrie went willingly...and there is no "criminal act" evident, then the police will be for the high jump if they go digging around in other peoples data....if it turns out Corrie went AWOL or has Committed Suicide.

Reasonable Cause an' all that.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Thank you .
Yes area 2 is the one I meant, now you mention the other one I do know of it but both as far as I know are as you typed gay sites not dogging sites unless its changed.
I wasn't even aware the layby one existed until the murder.

Sorry, which is area 2?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

That is true, of course, but one would have to ask why one would go there at that time of the morning just to watch?

Come to think of it, would there have been anything to watch at that time of the morning? Unless of course the layby there specifically was frequented overnight by gay lorry drivers ...!

 

[Dcflag]

Sorry, which is area 2?

i posted some info I found online a few pages bck that describes a two places, also that it's frequented by squaddies, couriers, truck drivers etc

 

[hazel324]

The thing is, no one can cut this "both ways".

Either,

#1 Corrie was completely unseen leaving the loading bay area by both Cam09 and Cam34

or

#2 At least one camera was trained on that area and his method of departure can be assumed/partially seen.

Tony replied to me saying, my query was based on one camera. And that is not so.

If Corrie "vanished", it assumes that a camera was pointed on that area all the time. So Cam09 and/or Cam34

If Corrie left that area (and searches seem to indicate that) then those same cameras, at some point, weren't focused on that area.

The third option is, he remained in that area (way after his phone left that place)....and was "unnoticed" leaving "several hours later".

I have no idea why the police or the family can confirm this ?

WB JK TTBBBTT :confetti:

(&cdotqs)

 

[Holly&Ivy]

He must have been waiting for someone or maybe for his mates to call him when they got out of the club? Otherwise why not accept the lift from the guy in the pizza store? Whilst having a pee maybe he lost phone in bin as already been suggested. It's a bizarre saga..... but he didn't plan to leave that night.... you would plan your departure better! He likely planned not to be home that night hence why he stayed back to ensure the puppy had all it needed to see it through till next day. He likely then planned to collect his care from the town after he got up and had sobered up.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

but he didn't plan to leave that night.... you would plan your departure better!

If this is a planned departure, it's absolutely flawless! Gone without a trace. Nothing to suggest he was ever planning a departure, so you could never be certain that's what it was.

 

[BookCollector]

For all we know, the police could have had the phone this whole time (say if the lorry driver took it off the top of the bin and then admitted it). Technically, they could be using this to give a suspect false security. That could also be why they didn't search the waste center. If this were the case, Nicola may or may not have been told this.

Now, I don't actually think this happened, but am using it as an example. We may be taking a lot of what the police say as fact, when it could be anything but.

 

[c4nd1_83]

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Lets hope he is found soon for everyones sake who care about this lad...

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[Dcflag]

i feel for the family, not only because of the situation they've found themselves in but having to trawl through tons of messages daily that appear to have descended into squabbles and repetitive nonsense. More so if they have information they can't make public.

I have a feeling we will know what's happened before the year is out. I hope it's good news but my head tells me how unlikely this is.

 

[BookCollector]

To tack on to my earlier post, if the police had the phone this whole time, I can see them not telling Nicola if they found a Grindr-type app on it. If they did, I can also see them not releasing this info to the public, so as to not appear to be witch-hunting gay people.

Again, I don't actually think this is the case, but police do have a lot of perceptions and sensitivities they have to work around.

Let's say the dark-hooded man appeared Muslim, but they can't identify him and don't know if he's involved. Will they put that out to the public in this day and age and risk (in their minds) a riot or targeting? Or will they try everything they can to run him down for questioning privately? My guess would be the latter.

I'm just speculating for the sake of speculating, of course.

 

[Dcflag]

I don't know I think if they had found the phone it would be relased officially by police. It would prove he was separated from it and indicate serious 3rd party involvement.