UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #4

[c4nd1_83]

Hello all. Good this is back up and running. I asked Nicola if Corrie could have arranged to meet someone there and she said that yes that is possible. He could have used an online app like whatsap which cant be traced through the phone network ee as a txt. Then it got mentioned that if you got his phone network to issue a new sim, put it in a smart phone and load up the apps the messages should be saved and loaded onto the new phone. So I hope they are now looking into this.


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[Ironside]

I would guess branches of Greggs don't have bakers toiling all night. I've always assumed their bread etc. is delivered frozen and then simply popped in an oven.

 

[c4nd1_83]

Nicola told me;

It's also never ever been said. That corrie was with his phone after 0308. We do not have any proof of that at all.

I wasnt sure what context to read this in.


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[rogerthelodger]

Q :
To ping on that mast the phone could of been 5 miles Bury side of Barton Mills ?
Or am I way off in my line of thinking?

 

[Dcflag]

Hello all. Good this is back up and running. I asked Nicola if Corrie could have arranged to meet someone there and she said that yes that is possible. He could have used an online app like whatsap which cant be traced through the phone network ee as a txt. Then it got mentioned that if you got his phone network to issue a new sim, put it in a smart phone and load up the apps the messages should be saved and loaded onto the new phone. So I hope they are now looking into this. Nicola also mentioned that his phone was used after 3:08 but theres no proof it was corrie. I will go and look for the post again and get what she said word for word on that.


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That was a good shout! I'm not sure if WhatsApp do reload on a new phone or if they go back very far in archives but he may have checked the box to record his messages.

 

[Dcflag]

I would guess branches of Greggs don't have bakers toiling all night. I've always assumed their bread etc. is delivered frozen and then simply popped in an oven.

I'm sure that's what they do too but to have food cooked for opening and opening the store you'd expect them in a few hours before opening?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Outside of additional manpower, is there any significance in getting Scotland Yard involved? Do they have any authority or equipment to aid in the case that the local police don't have available? (Specifically, ability to pull records of all cell phones leaving BSE at that time of the morning or anything along those lines?). Is this normal for Scotland Yard to be called in on high profile cases, and for the locals, does this add a level of confidence to the investigation? I'm just not sure of police protocols in the UK and am hoping it's a good thing, like they're bringing in the "big guns" now....

It's certainly not uncommon for Scotland Yard to be called in. As has been said previously, Suffolk Constabulary is a small police force already dealing with two murder cases and is stretched to the limit. Corrie is still being treated as a missing person so isn't actually their top priority at this stage.

My guess is that the Yard would bring experience of very complex investigations which this case has become, if only because it doesn't seem to have been handled very well in the beginning.

The UK does not really have an equivalent of the FBI but there have been talks of establishing one. In the meantime the Yard is probably the best option. I notice from a newspaper source posted some time ago that Special Branch are also involved. They're a rather hush hush outfit which seem to be a bridge between London's Metropolitan Police and the security services, so they tend to get involved where there is, or is suspected to be, a national security angle.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I would guess branches of Greggs don't have bakers toiling all night. I've always assumed their bread etc. is delivered frozen and then simply popped in an oven.

They certainly would not need to start baking in the wee small hours because they are not baking sourdough bread from scratch. I would imagine that yes, the goods are delivered frozen or at least chilled the night before and the first batch baked ready for the breakfast trade if that branch opens for it.

Still, it' likely that there would have been some staff around from about 5am.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Outside of additional manpower, is there any significance in getting Scotland Yard involved? Do they have any authority or equipment to aid in the case that the local police don't have available? (Specifically, ability to pull records of all cell phones leaving BSE at that time of the morning or anything along those lines?). Is this normal for Scotland Yard to be called in on high profile cases, and for the locals, does this add a level of confidence to the investigation? I'm just not sure of police protocols in the UK and am hoping it's a good thing, like they're bringing in the "big guns" now....

I am not sure why the Met Police are getting involved (this authority covers London for those who might not be in the UK) and I've just Wiki'd Scotland Yard and can't see that there are any other forces or sectors based there. I can only assume it's expertise, funding and staffing.

We often see neighbouring jurisdictions helping out in US cases where the local force might be small or underequipped, but it doesn't often happen here where county police forces are much bigger and fairly independent, I'd have thought Suffolk police should have been able to cope with this.

Hopefully someone can come along with an explanation!

 

[Dcflag]

Q :
To ping on that mast the phone could of been 5 miles Bury side of Barton Mills ?
Or am I way off in my line of thinking?

It just says on the newest update it has to be within broadcast range of the mast. I'm sure it's been said before the range, assumingly it circles from the mast so it could be much closer to bury than bm. I want to say it was 3-5km but I may be wrong on that.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I would guess branches of Greggs don't have bakers toiling all night. I've always assumed their bread etc. is delivered frozen and then simply popped in an oven.

I should know more about this given where I work we deal with Greggs directly. I believe they have regional bakeries that deliver fresh food daily so would think if the shops open at 07:00 then deliveries should occur before this.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I'd have thought Suffolk police should have been able to cope with this.

According to wikipedia, Suffolk Constabulary has just under 1,200 personnel, including 249 Hobby Bobbies, so around 950 full time staff of all ranks to cover all forms of basic policing, eg traffic and the roads, burglary, street crime, domestic violence, violent crim and rural matters such as poaching etc. With 2 murders and a big misper case they're probably run ragged.

ETA don't forget they also have Harwich and Felixstowe ferry and freight terminals on their patch, which probably absorbs quite a lot of resource.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk_Constabulary

 

[Edinlass]

Q :
To ping on that mast the phone could of been 5 miles Bury side of Barton Mills ?
Or am I way off in my line of thinking?

Hey, the ping was up to a 5km radius (3 miles or there about). Confirmed by Nicola.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

As a matter of interest, has it been said anywhere which network Corrie was on? It may be irrelevant but given that different networks' masts tend to be in different places it might help deduce something about the phone's movements.

 

[calo44]

It's certainly not uncommon for Scotland Yard to be called in. As has been said previously, Suffolk Constabulary is a small police force already dealing with two murder cases and is stretched to the limit. Corrie is still being treated as a missing person so isn't actually their top priority at this stage.

My guess is that the Yard would bring experience of very complex investigations which this case has become, if only because it doesn't seem to have been handled very well in the beginning.

The UK does not really have an equivalent of the FBI but there have been talks of establishing one. In the meantime the Yard is probably the best option. I notice from a newspaper source posted some time ago that Special Branch are also involved. They're a rather hush hush outfit which seem to be a bridge between London's Metropolitan Police and the security services, so they tend to get involved where there is, or is suspected to be, a national security angle.

Thank you Melmoth!

I've been searching, too, to try answer my own question. I saw where Scotland Yard also gets called in when human trafficking is suspected though I pray that's not the case here.

Does anyone know if Corrie had a GPS tracker fob on his key ring to help find misplaced keys? My kids all use TILE that pairs to their cell phone as they forever lose their keys and wallets. It isn't 100% reliable but it does have a crowd sourcing capability as do TrackR fobs. Just a thought...

 

[calo44]

According to wikipedia, Suffolk Constabulary has just under 1,200 personnel, including 249 Hobby Bobbies, so around 950 full time staff of all ranks to cover all forms of basic policing, eg traffic and the roads, burglary, street crime, domestic violence, violent crim and rural matters such as poaching etc. With 2 murders and a big misper case they're probably run ragged.

ETA don't forget they also have Harwich and Felixstowe ferry and freight terminals on their patch, which probably absorbs quite a lot of resource.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk_Constabulary

I also saw a recent video advert where they're actively recruiting police officers in East Anglia (not just for this case, but in general). Their numbers must be a little down at the moment, but from all I read from Tony's last post, they seem to be doing the best they can with the resources they have.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

According to wikipedia, Suffolk Constabulary has just under 1,200 personnel, including 249 Hobby Bobbies, so around 950 full time staff of all ranks to cover all forms of basic policing, eg traffic and the roads, burglary, street crime, domestic violence, violent crim and rural matters such as poaching etc. With 2 murders and a big misper case they're probably run ragged.

ETA don't forget they also have Harwich and Felixstowe ferry and freight terminals on their patch, which probably absorbs quite a lot of resource.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk_Constabulary

Good points. I just found a table of police workforce figures for the whole country, I think it's quite likely they're just getting help from a bigger force. Possibly the MoD might have had a hand in this?

Avon & Somerset 2,707
Bedfordshire 1,073
Cambridgeshire 1,362
Cheshire 1,398 1,952
Cleveland 1,326
Cumbria 1,143
Derbyshire 1,863
Devon & Cornwall 3,068
Dorset 1,272
Durham 1,169
Essex 3,069
Gloucestershire 1,165
Greatr Manchester 6,703
Hampshire 3,064
Hertfordshire 1,911
Humberside 1,614
Kent 3,188
Lancashire 2,919
Leicestershire 1,955
Lincolnshire 1,100
London, City of 739
Merseyside 3,794
Met Police 31,877
Norfolk 1,569
Northamptonshire 1,229
Northumbria 3,514
North Yorkshire 1,395
Nottinghamshire 2,102
South Yorkshire 2,587
Staffordshire 1,714
Suffolk 1,147
Surrey 1,863
Sussex 2,810
Thames Valley 4,365
Warwickshire 828
West Mercia 2,014
West Midlands 7,133
West Yorkshire 4,748
Wiltshire 1,015
Dyfed-Powys 1,176
Gwent 1,229
North Wales 1,487
South Wales 2,864

Total 43 forces 126,818

EDIT :gaah: how annoying, I just spent a while nicely columning all those numbers and it didn't work!

 

[cotswoldemmie]

As a matter of interest, has it been said anywhere which network Corrie was on? It may be irrelevant but given that different networks' masts tend to be in different places it might help deduce something about the phone's movements.

Hi
Tony posted map regarding pings and signal in the area where Corries phone was last traced, he's on EE


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[MelmothTheLost]

Thank you Melmoth!
I've been searching, too, to try answer my own question. I saw where Scotland Yard also gets called in when human trafficking is suspected though I pray that's not the case here.

Scotland Yard/The Met are obviously the biggest police force in the UK and therefore have a number of specialist units which aren't viable for smaller forces to set up or maintain. Hence they tend to get asked to provide specialist support and advice, eg art and antiques, diplomatic protection, forced marriage and suchlike.

 

[cotswoldemmie]

As a matter of interest, has it been said anywhere which network Corrie was on? It may be irrelevant but given that different networks' masts tend to be in different places it might help deduce something about the phone's movements.

Tonys quote The phone pinged the micro-mast at Barton Mills. This only means that it was within Broadcast range of the mast. Due to time proximity, it does seem most likely that the phone was in the Bin lorry, but that is not certain. It could have been in another vehicle and possibly on an entirely different road - I'll share the mast broadcast radius as a comment in this post

Argh! Am I allowed to post screenshots?
Argh argh! I can't link the original source, although it is from Tony's last FB update....sorry if I've broken a rule! [emoji15]


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