UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #6

[eneri12]

The way I read Tony's update was that there were 4 vehicles in the time frame, one was the bin lorry, all had been identified. The key wording was identified, not traced. Investigations ongoing. I think it's safe to assume that Corrie was in one of those cars but I reckon they haven't been able to trace the 3 of them yet to find out which one.

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[Ruthbullock]

I won't post where the quarters are that I know of, but they are about 30min walk from waitrose. Sorry it hasn't copied the original question of whoever was asking about mq in bse

Thanks, I'm just being lazy as it late on a Sunday night and I could find the addresses out if I had the time. Is there only one group of housing and is it a 30 minute walk starting with the route Corrie was taking, or was he walking in the wrong direction?

 

[JamesKing]

Ah thanks, that makes more sense!

So could it be the case that one of the 23 initially Unidentified owns / had the use of one of these vehicles, the police know this and it's a case of elimination.

OR none of these people have anything to do with the investigation which would leave the vehicle being driven by someone who was NEVER on the streets that night, only there to pick up Corrie willingly or unwillingly. And they are merely witnesses, rather than suspects.

Ok I am back to where I was on thread #1 and my first ever post, I believe he left the area willingly.

Sorry if this makes no sense, I know what I want to say in my head.

You did the same as me !
I remembered the "original" update on the 20th.
And as there was no new one, I thought it still applied.

But it must have been changed (hence the two paragraphs don't actually match). I think the "original" clarified it as "one being the bin lorry and three other cars". That was taken out.

As to "was a witness involved with a car parked there", that was my guess as to the re-emergence of "the plod pod".

As to "did they find it was or wasn't", I have no idea. I doubt that will come out even if it was "yes" or "no". (Oh, and it maybe "did that person have an association with that vehicle and not even be the owner or driver of it)

I do have a "hutch" as to which way they were thinking, but it doesn't really matter and I don't really want to write it down. And anyway, I think it would be a line of enquiry, given that there will be a lot known "behind the scenes" anyway.

 

[MidsummersDay]

"Discharge as of Right (DAOR). When a recruit joins the Army on VEng, they have a statutory right to leave within a certain window. For over 18s they must give their Commanding Officer 14 days notice of their intention to leave once they have completed 28 working days2. Their window to submit their notice closes at the three month point. For under 18s, the soldier can effectively give notice to leave at any point up until their 18th birthday having gone through the appropriate discharge procedure3, however, unless approved by the Commanding Officer, discharge would not normally occur before the 42 day window detailed above. The right to DAOR is separate to other administrative discharges such as those required for compassionate, medical or disciplinary reasons.

Minimum Commitment Period / Termination from the Regular Army. Once the DAOR window has closed, a soldier is committed to serve a minimum of four years service from their date of enlistment or their 18th birthday if later. A soldier must give 12 months notice to end their engagement early and the earliest they can do this is after three years service. This is known as Notice to Terminate (NTT). If they do not submit their NTT or are discharged for some other matter (e.g. for medical or discipline reasons), the soldier will leave at the end of their engagement, unless they convert to the next career stage as detailed above."

https://www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/TermsofService.pdf

I thought this information might be useful in discussion about leaving the army and going AWOL being a possibility. It doesn't look like it is possible to buy your way out from the research I have done.

Many thanks for the information but it is totally irrelevant to this case as Corrie isn't in the British Army. Corrie is in the Her Majesty's Royal Air Force and as such is subject to MAFL. It's parentage being ML.

 

[goape]

Thanks, I'm just being lazy as it late on a Sunday night and I could find the addresses out if I had the time. Is there only one group of housing and is it a 30 minute walk starting with the route Corrie was taking, or was he walking in the wrong direction?

I only know of one group but there could be others. Doesn't look like he was heading in that direction unless a bit of a detoured route.

 

[Ruthbullock]

I only know of one group but there could be others. Doesn't look like he was heading in that direction unless a bit of a detoured route.

There is only one group, I looked instead- without naming streets they are in the area of bury at Edmunds golf club. Would this match up with the direction the phone possibly pinged?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Just wondering if a vehicle was meeting/picking up Corrie were they also looking for a score in that area for the party?

 

[North angel]

welcome north. I too remember reading that there was
a party at a married couple's place but cannot remember where I read that. Do you remember where that was mentioned? Just saw the ruth bullock post. Us married quarters are beck row aren't they?

Hi Shiressleuth,
I remember reading it on one of the earlier threads, not sure whether it was quoted from Nicola.

 

[JamesKing]

I always thought that the people on CCTV were wanted as potential witnesses not suspects as they may have noticed something regarding the cars. But now I'm wondering if it's drug related (Corrie being involved or not and witnessing something he shouldn't) and the person hiding from running man is look out man, for police/people/whatever. Who knows, we hardly have anything to go on. I'm sure the vehicles are more important seeing as Corrie apparently left in a vehicle so I'm confused why there's been no appeal regarding these. They've been identified but that doesn't mean traced or the person in possession found. I assumed it's because it would hinder the investigation but now I'm not so sure. About anything!

But someone could have been "associated" with the a vehicle....
....but not an owner or driver of that vehicle.

Someone may have been associated to Corrie and associated to the vehicle, but not the owner or driver of it.

Trying to identify "everyone" in BSE that night seemed a bit of a task, but trying to identify those in a tight time window who were in BSE that may have associations to a car and maybe also Corrie, seems a logical step.

 

[JamesKing]

Many thanks for the information but it is totally irrelevant to this case as Corrie isn't in the British Army. Corrie is in the Her Majesty's Royal Air Force and as such is subject to MAFL. It's parentage being ML.

It's 9 yrs with 3yrs having to be served ? Then 18mths dependent on manning levels.

Or, you just say you can't spell to get out !
Actually, forget that... you just tell them you can !!! :blushing:

 

[Shiressleuth]

Whatever vehicle left closest to the bin lorry leaving must be the one. And if that headed in the general area of Barton Mills and mildenhall....

 

[MidsummersDay]

Cool thanks for clarifying you haven't seen much about a drugs angle also!

Drug dealers, who operate primarily through mobile phones, will also be some of the most apt at disposing of any evidence. Also when you're picking up drugs, you would typically oblige to certain requests like "turn your phone" off. I can't remember what the specifics were to the Reading stuff, whether it was switch your phone off, park in a certain place or don't wear hoodies - can't quite remember but they definitely had them, and would turn people away if they didn't comply. I realize it's probably a bit strict, but in some capacity, I think it exists, to oblige certain requests of your, even just "a", drug dealer.

In fact, I have an own personal experience of someone saying they can sort me out something if they use my phone. That person and my phone were never seen again... I did try to persue it at the time, but it became clear if I did so I'd probably be looking down the barrel of a gun, so left it. Clearly the phone in Corrie's case has been quite well disposed of, perhaps even expertly so. And even if it was never in the bin lorry, and was perhaps say thrown out the window, there has been plenty of time for the person that did that to return, search, find and make sure it's disposed of properly.

Regretably, and as much as I'm loyal to 'the System', I'm sure it's goes on. However, the culture within th RAF is work hard, play hard. There is an esprit de corps that exists in no other Arm. Random drug tests are carried out and severe punishment ensues in the form of the Glasshouse or instant dismissal.

What does interest me though is a fascination in the mobile phone movement speed. Inadvertantly you may have hit upon a cheap mode of transport used by pizza delivery boys, drug dealers and late night workers who can't afford a car. It's nimble, does approximately thirty miles an hour and can be secreted in the shadows of many a building.....ITS A MOPED!!!
Could there be a link or even a mode of transports for Corrie between all of the above or the disappearance of his mobile phone? Hmmmmmm.

 

[Ruthbullock]

I'm not sure where the American quarters are, only the British ones. im just curious if either the phone travelled and could have stopped in the area of the married quarters, or if Corrie was walking towards any quarters - perhaps to get a lift, or because he was being picked up.

 

[calo44]

It states on the find Corrie website 4 vehicles seen in the horseshoe area in the time frame being reviewed have all now been identified. Timeframe then being 0300 - 0800.

Then on the same page:-

Investigations into the other 3 vehicles from the ‘Horseshoe’ continue. Speculation about them would not be helpful at this stage. There is no need to speculate further on a ‘silver car’ at this point either.

This does make sense as the silver car was seen in the grapes footage which was well before 3am as we all know. Maybe the other 2 vehicles were also around this time frame so wouldn't be in the time frame being reviewed.

I think the silver car is hugely important but we are being told NOT to speculate...why? If it helps bring Corrie home, I don't see why not!

Edinlass, I agree with you on the silver car. For whatever reason, they don't want us talking about it - but there's no mention of it having been investigated and cleared (like the lorry). Unless they got a ping on one of the other 3 vehicles (or all 3) and they are looking that way?

 

[gregjrichards]

Many thanks for the information but it is totally irrelevant to this case as Corrie isn't in the British Army. Corrie is in the Her Majesty's Royal Air Force and as such is subject to MAFL. It's parentage being ML.

Sincere apologies my mistake.

 

[calo44]

He was invited to a married friends house for a party, it was one of the trivial facts thrown out at the beginning. But the mention of the party got me thinking- where are the married quarters in BSE?- there are some and I wonder if he was parked near them, or was walking towards them later on. Anybody local know which streets have married quarters on?

Were his friends invited to the party also? Is that where they were, as Corrie walked from bar to bar looking for them?

 

[Edinlass]

Edinlass, I agree with you on the silver car. For whatever reason, they don't want us talking about it - but there's no mention of it having been investigated and cleared (like the lorry). Unless they got a ping on one of the other 3 vehicles (or all 3) and they are looking that way?

Yeah they haven't said much on this vehicle atall, so we don't speculate, IMO. I think this car will be the key to a lot in this investigation but again, that's only my opinion.

 

[goape]

I'm not sure where the American quarters are, only the British ones. im just curious if either the phone travelled and could have stopped in the area of the married quarters, or if Corrie was walking towards any quarters - perhaps to get a lift, or because he was being picked up.

From what I've read there are US quarters in Beck Row which I believe was one of the search areas, though someone on here also linked this to a scrap metal place.

 

[calo44]

Regretably, and as much as I'm loyal to 'the System', I'm sure it's goes on. However, the culture within th RAF is work hard, play hard. There is an esprit de corps that exists in no other Arm. Random drug tests are carried out and severe punishment ensues in the form of the Glasshouse or instant dismissal.

What does interest me though is a fascination in the mobile phone movement speed. Inadvertantly you may have hit upon a cheap mode of transport used by pizza delivery boys, drug dealers and late night workers who can't afford a car. It's nimble, does approximately thirty miles an hour and can be secreted in the shadows of many a building.....ITS A MOPED!!!
Could there be a link or even a mode of transports for Corrie between all of the above or the disappearance of his mobile phone? Hmmmmmm.

On one of the still photos on the cctv video, a figure is walking in front of the store in which the photo was taken, and it appears he is putting on gloves. There was speculation as to whether he could be a delivery person or getting on a moped.

It is the same photo where the person's "shiny head" was noted if that helps any.

 

[rogerthelodger]

On one of the still photos on the cctv video, a figure is walking in front of the store in which the photo was taken, and it appears he is putting on gloves. There was speculation as to whether he could be a delivery person or getting on a moped.

Delivery from where?