UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #6

[Shiressleuth]

The only vehicles I can see having any 'business' down there or needing to be there are:
a. A vehicle using it to turnaround such as a resident on Shortbrackland with a large van. A smaller vehicle can be turned around before that location where Corrie was last seen.

b. A vehicle collecting nightshift workers such as ones from the pubs/clubs/door staff etc OR early morning potato pickers.

c. Collection by prior arrangement such as Taxi drivers or private vehicle.

d. Service industry vehicles (bin collection, stall setups, Gregg delivery types)

e. Emergency services.

f. Vehicles with nefarious reasons.

Surely all the legit vehicles have been ruled out and these are nefarious ones your paragraph "f". Can a fb group member ask that question? Asking isn't speculation is it?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Think this is the CCTV imagine they referring too bbyblueeyez

I thought this looked like one of the three shown together as he/she walked a way in front at one point so this still doesn't show the other two as they are a few steps back and out of shot. I wasn't at hub and am only basing this on the anglia footage previously linked on here.

 

[bbyblueeyez]

yes Mindie that's the one thanks does anyone think that there is some kind of emblem on the back ??

 

[Mindie304]

Yes, very faint ! But a outline there

 

[MidsummersDay]

Sincere apologies my mistake.

No problem. The only thing you need to remember is that the British Army turn boys into men....Her Majesty's brave Royal Air Force to men into Gentlemen.

 

[goape]

No problem. The only thing you need to remember is that the British Army turn boys into men....Her Majesty's brave Royal Air Force to men into Gentlemen.

Or the army digs in while the RAF checks-in 😋

 

[markymint]

Re emblem, some additional enhancements, I don't see it in the ITV footage

But I do see it in your pic version

To me it looks a bit like someone in a helmet checking their watch or possibly phone (or maybe putting on a glove, though I don't see that so much myself).

But on the other hand, this person also looks incredibly small, like 4ft 9 or something. So possibly female, with some very shiny vidal sassoon products up top if that isn't a helmet. Almost looks almost like they are wearing a summer dress/skirt rather than cycling leathers - their legs seem more pale than the rest of their darkened figure, for whatever reason. In your image enhanced you can almost see both legs outlined. Figure seems quite feminine IMO. But as I say I'm seeing both a motorcyclist type person and a slender, possibly female figure, who is small, around the 5ft mark.

 

[JamesKing]

If I read it right (and who knows if I do), then the "Key Suspect(s)" will now be aware that their vehicle at least is on the radar. Or the vehicle that they were using.

If Corrie was indeed waiting, which there are indications that he may have been, then the people directly associated with a suspect vehicle may not have known he had left the club...and that he was in view of cctv for a full 2 hours before 0325.

The Key Suspect(s) will know what they did with the phone (if it was/is with Corrie of not) but on the Saturday may not have been aware of the bin lorry situation (which only applies if the phone was dumped in the bin).

If it wasn't dumped in the bin, then the car they used is known of and the geographic area to which they initially went to is also known.
And further, that likely Corrie went willingly.

If it was dumped in the bin, then the car they used is still known of but where they went is unknown.
And further, that likely Corrie was attacked in the bin area and went unwillingly.

The question is, if they attacked him there and dumped the phone in the bin, would they then bother to retrieve it (in so much as, they didn't know the bin had been collected) ?
Ultimately they'd already committed a serious crime and maybe felt where they went to is untraceable.

If there was no attack there and his phone was with him, then they wouldn't try to retrieve it from a bin.

#1 A pre-arranged meeting where he was attacked immediately (and his phone was dumped).

#2 A pre-arranged meeting where he was attacked immediately (and his phone went with him).

#3 A pre-arranged meeting where he was not attacked (and his phone went with him).

If you go with "a wait" and therefore "something pre-arranged", those options seem "fair" ?

 

[Dcflag]

If I read it right (and who knows if I do), then the "Key Suspect(s)" will now be aware that their vehicle at least is on the radar. Or the vehicle that they were using.

If Corrie was indeed waiting, which there are indications that he may have been, then the people directly associated with a suspect vehicle may not have known he had left the club...and that he was in view of cctv for a full 2 hours before 0325.

The Key Suspect(s) will know what they did with the phone (if it was/is with Corrie of not) but on the Saturday may not have been aware of the bin lorry situation (which only applies if the phone was dumped in the bin).

If it wasn't dumped in the bin, then the car they used is known of and the geographic area to which they initially went to is also known.
And further, that likely Corrie went willingly.

If it was dumped in the bin, then the car they used is still known of but where they went is unknown.
And further, that likely Corrie was attacked in the bin area and went unwillingly.

The question is, if they attacked him there and dumped the phone in the bin, would they then bother to retrieve it (in so much as, they didn't know the bin had been collected) ?
Ultimately they'd already committed a serious crime and maybe felt where they went to is untraceable.

If there was no attack there and his phone was with him, then they wouldn't try to retrieve it from a bin.

#1 A pre-arranged meeting where he was attacked immediately (and his phone was dumped).

#2 A pre-arranged meeting where he was attacked immediately (and his phone went with him).

#3 A pre-arranged meeting where he was not attacked (and his phone went with him).

If you go with "a wait" and therefore "something pre-arranged", those options seem "fair" ?

I can agree with that. There's no evidence of an altercation so I have a hard time believing his phone was dumped. If we went with scenario 3 what are the options? He didn't go home after all.

 

[bbyblueeyez]

if he did go with Scenario 3 if that person picked Corrie up willingly then why wouldn't they come forward even if they dropped him somewhere else and they had nothing to hide ? Could they have picked him up willingly gone to a party things turned sour and few people are keeping tight lipped.

 

[suzyjackson]

When I was working on the rigs when I was in my early twenties, we used to go out on the lash when we got home and get ridiculaously hammered. My local haunts were Warrington and Liverpool and I (am ashamed to admit) have fallen asleep in doorways and on benches many a time. Especially if I'd ran out of money and was hanging on to jump a train in the morning. Me and mates would always end up separated and each of us would have a crazy story to tell the next day.

Basically what I am saying is that Corries behaviour isn't as weird and crazy as some people are saying on here. Not the norm by any means but he's an outgoing free spirited young man and to me he's quite typical of the early twenty year olds that I grew up with/around, myself included.

I have by no means lead a wild life but I agree with you, Corrie's behaviours don't stike me as at all unusual or risky, Hé's a young man with a good job, no dependants maybe some money left over at the end of each month sadly though they probably have lead to whatever has happened to him.

 

[Shiressleuth]

If it was a moped or motorbike it could have gone on footpaths bridleways etc where there is no cctv.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Could they have picked him up willingly gone to a party things turned sour and few people are keeping tight lipped.

Would you actually go to a party at 3.30am though?

Or am I showing my age again?

 

[trickydicky]

If it was a moped or motorbike it could have gone on footpaths bridleways etc where there is no cctv.

A moped would also travel at a similar speed to a larger vehicle, a bin lorry for example. The rider would also be identifiable by a passer-by; whereas the same can't be said for the driver of a car.

 

[bbyblueeyez]

My son would if he had weekend off and didn't have to be back at work till the Monday I personally wouldn't but I like my be to much lol .....

 

[mrazda71]

I have by no means lead a wild life but I agree with you, Corrie's behaviours don't stike me as at all unusual or risky, Hé's a young man with a good job, no dependants maybe some money left over at the end of each month sadly though they probably have lead to whatever has happened to him.

Absolutely agree, I grew up near an RAF Base and had a couple of RAF boyfriends over the years. They were VERY easily identifiable due to fresh haircuts, the amount they would drink and that they were in general a very confident bunch of lads.

I've been confused by some posts regarding 'why didn't his friends leave with him, check up on him etc' - I don't think this would be normal for a bunch of lad mates would it?

 

[mrazda71]

Re emblem, some additional enhancements, I don't see it in the ITV footage

But I do see it in your pic version

To me it looks a bit like someone in a helmet checking their watch or possibly phone (or maybe putting on a glove, though I don't see that so much myself).

But on the other hand, this person also looks incredibly small, like 4ft 9 or something. So possibly female, with some very shiny vidal sassoon products up top if that isn't a helmet. Almost looks almost like they are wearing a summer dress/skirt rather than cycling leathers - their legs seem more pale than the rest of their darkened figure, for whatever reason. In your image enhanced you can almost see both legs outlined. Figure seems quite feminine IMO. But as I say I'm seeing both a motorcyclist type person and a slender, possibly female figure, who is small, around the 5ft mark.

Looks more like a normal sized head to me than helmet head? Could be someone with a hood up though and possibly with a cap/hat on underneath the hood which is pretty common.

 

[bbyblueeyez]

Girls tend not to leave each other I wouldn't personally allow a female friend to be left on her own at that time but females are different to males ...... Only thing that is bugging me is why he headed to the horseshoe area anyway he looks sheepish on the CCTV were I said he looked so sad like someone called him over but he was bit reluctant to go so to speak. I think the person who leaves 4 mins after Corrie could at least hold some clues to if he did in fact get in a car willingly.

 

[calo44]

Re emblem, some additional enhancements, I don't see it in the ITV footage

But I do see it in your pic version

To me it looks a bit like someone in a helmet checking their watch or possibly phone (or maybe putting on a glove, though I don't see that so much myself).

But on the other hand, this person also looks incredibly small, like 4ft 9 or something. So possibly female, with some very shiny vidal sassoon products up top if that isn't a helmet. Almost looks almost like they are wearing a summer dress/skirt rather than cycling leathers - their legs seem more pale than the rest of their darkened figure, for whatever reason. In your image enhanced you can almost see both legs outlined. Figure seems quite feminine IMO. But as I say I'm seeing both a motorcyclist type person and a slender, possibly female figure, who is small, around the 5ft mark.

b

I agree that the person is slender, but the broadness of the shoulders and longer looking torso look more male to me. Maybe wearing lighter colored trousers than their jacket?

 

[JamesKing]

Would you actually go to a party at 3.30am though?

Or am I showing my age again?

Many a time !
The problem is, you'd be having to bring something to the party like drink...or you'd be as welcome as a ginger haired step child at your mother's wedding !

....and hide it in the washing machine (a top tip !).