UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #7

[Dcflag]

Morning guys just a random question what if all the cars been identified and he not seen getting in any of them and not seen leaving on foot either were would we go from there ?

we don't know if vehicles have driven into the horseshoe

 

[Dcflag]

If that happened, how would we account for the fact that the phone was still pinging the BM mast until 8am when it stopped?

If the phone was in the bin lorry, and the bin lorry collected compacted paper and card at the recycling centre, and then went on to a larger facility, I would have expected the lorry to leave the BM mast area by 6am or 6.30am at the latest. In that case the phone would have pinged one or more other towers during its journey elsewhere.

It was the bin lorry driver in the recycling centre with the piece of lead pipe.

That would certainly fit why they closed the road for searches heading to Ipswich (or that side of bury)

 

[Shiressleuth]

Because the elevated status of 'AWOL' attracts a criminal tag in the military purely by default. It's far easier to avoid ruining a career, creating unnecessary paperwork and recovering the same amount of time back 'for the Queen' in Colchester by listing him as missing. By listing him as missing, his absence can be covered with 'gardening leave' as damage limitation.
As I've suggested earlier, The end of the 4-6 month AND SIX DAYS period will be crucial as that will then have to move to the next level...AWOL. More than likely only then will the Military Police issue arrest warrants for his arrest.

So 4 months is important? What would happen then? We are at 2.5 months now so what could any penalty be at the moment?

 

[MidsummersDay]

Then please tell me what the bin lorry driver was doing between around 4.30am when he would have arrived in the Barton Mills area and 9am when the facility opened.

Extended breakfast at McDonalds?

A bit of early morning dogging?

A kip in the cab?

I'm not trying to be facetious, but this question is simply not being addressed.

We worked ut in a previous thread that his start time for that particular shift would have been around 0300/0330. A HGV/LGV driver is subject to certain VERY STRICT legislation and laws which ordinary people may not be aware of. One of which is the Working Time Directive (WTD) which states that a mobile worker must take a 15-45 minute break after working a certain amount of hours (6?). Additionally, the driver is subject to Drivers Hours Regulations (DHR) which by law MUST be adhered to. So for every 4.5 hours continuous driving, they have to take by law a 30 minute break away from the steering wheel. Even drivers of large vehicles find it difficult to juggle these to legalities ever mind concentrate on a full and active days work.

So the 'constant' here is the EXACT start time of the driver as we would roughly be able to work out his breaks and end time. This is simplified to a certain degree by the fitment of a Tachograph. Some are paper discs but the majority nowadays are electronic credit card style. A simple interrogation of these papers or cards revealed the starts, stops, breaks, speeds, distances and end times of that particular vehicle.

The only complication of that would be if the driver was Agency supplied as he could 'fob off' the police with a 'lost card' story...or the wrong bin lorry/driver's records were examined inadvertantly.

I still don't by the bin lorry phone theory. As I said in previous threads, the timings seem to be out quite a bit.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/has-corries-phone-been-checked/ and later confirmed there's no typo and it is 5am.

Thank you. Clearly I have been confused over this for some time.

So, in connection with the bin lorry movements:

3.23am - Corrie is last seen atentering the Horseshoe
4.00am - The bin lorry arrives to empty the bin (+/- 5 mins?)
4.20am - Bin lorry driver reports seeing the teenagers nearby
4.20am - Bin lorry sets off towards Barton Mills, trundling along at a fairly sedate pace.
4.50am - Bin lorry arrives at Barton Mills (guesstimate) to make another pickup
5.00am - Last signal from Corrie's phone, after which it goes dead.

Any corrections to the timeline?

OK, on this basis it's possible that the phone was in the bin lorry and that either the pickup of further waste at Barton Mills/Mildenhall damaged the phone and caused it to stop working or the battery ran out.

 

[MidsummersDay]

The ping was 4.58 (or 4.56 or very similar) in Barton mills. I believe but am not certain it pinged in bury around 4.20ish

It left the BSE mast area at around 0430 approx and entered the BM mast area at 0458.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Holy moly that's spooky.....I've just done the same thing last night (just got in)!!

We've all done that but corrie sat in his car on a public road (robert boby way) drinking while chatting for nearly an hour. Have any of us done that? I don't think so. Midsummer, does that road have cctv by the way? I think we should go right back to when they all left the base -how many, how many cars, were some designated drivers, where did the others park, when did the others leave and did designated driver drive back or did they get taxis, when did they all go back and get their cars the next day etc. We've spent enough time wasting it on the bin lorry surely?

 

[guruagain]

Can anyone at all link to a statement that it was the lorry bin driver who saw the 3 teens at 4.20? I have just looked back at news reports and the find corrie site but can only find mention of teens being seen on CCTV. It is possible that the lorry binman seeing the teens was from a different company as the timings don't make sense. It is also possible that this is one of those things that someone has said without linking and it has been repeated and become "fact."

 

[guruagain]

Thank you. Clearly I have been confused over this for some time.

So, in connection with the bin lorry movements:

3.23am - Corrie is last seen atentering the Horseshoe
4.00am - The bin lorry arrives to empty the bin (+/- 5 mins?)
4.20am - Bin lorry driver reports seeing the teenagers nearby
4.20am - Bin lorry sets off towards Barton Mills, trundling along at a fairly sedate pace.
4.50am - Bin lorry arrives at Barton Mills (guesstimate) to make another pickup
5.00am - Last signal from Corrie's phone, after which it goes dead.

Any corrections to the timeline?

OK, on this basis it's possible that the phone was in the bin lorry and that either the pickup of further waste at Barton Mills/Mildenhall damaged the phone and caused it to stop working or the battery ran out.

If this is your timeline please make it clear, if it is copied from somewhere then please link - this timeline differs from the one I am looking at on the find corrie front page.
Thanks.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

We've all done that

Just for the record, I haven't. Nor have I ever been in a nightclub in my life.

So if I misunderstand some aspects of modern life, please bear with me.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

It left the BSE mast area at around 0430 approx and entered the BM mast area at 0458.

Thank you. In this case, the phone effectively entered the BM mast area and died more or less immediately.

 

[JamesKing]

The "Apps" should have continued to update all the way up to the battery "stopping". It's an automatic function.

The data (and the terms used) are misleading.
And also the timings seem to be misleading.

The police on there website say they have "data" upto 0800.

FindCorrie on their website say 0500.

In interviews to the media, it has been stated the time was 0420 for the last ping (stipulated as "Apps updating".

The data isn't perfect. But the time of the "last ping" no doubt should be known. And hopefully that helps the police at least (and they're the important people in this) build a picture.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

If this is your timeline please make it clear, if it is copied from somewhere then please link - this timeline differs from the one I am looking at on the find corrie front page.
Thanks.

Mine.

The main difference is allowing for the bin lorry driver still being in the area to apparently see the teenagers at around 4.20am which is not in the official timeline.

 

[Shiressleuth]

http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/12/03/social-media-3rd-december-update/

A bit grumpy with us it seems. Shame when we are just trying to brain storm ideas for them

Morning all by the way. Yes goldilox we get a plug. If we have some new people viewing because of that, morning to you too.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Can anyone at all link to a statement that it was the lorry bin driver who saw the 3 teens at 4.20? I have just looked back at news reports and the find corrie site but can only find mention of teens being seen on CCTV. It is possible that the lorry binman seeing the teens was from a different company as the timings don't make sense. It is also possible that this is one of those things that someone has said without linking and it has been repeated and become "fact."

This is the findcorrie.co.uk page that mentions the bin lorry driver seeing the teens:

"Police made an appeal requesting assistance to trace three people believed to be aged 16 to 18 who were spotted by the bin lorry driver on Cornhill Walk shopping centre on Short Brackland, Bury, at around 4.20am on September 24. They are described as a white female, of quite slim build, possibly with blonde hair wearing either a dark green or navy blue jumper-style top, and two males, one wearing a hooded top. These three have been identified and spoken too."

I also questioned at the time whether there was more than one bin lorry driver, but the wording of this ("the" bin lorry driver, rather than "a" bin lorry driver) suggests it's the same one.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

The "Apps" should have continued to update all the way up to the battery "stopping". It's an automatic function.

The data (and the terms used) are misleading.
And also the timings seem to be misleading.

The police on there website say they have "data" upto 0800.

FindCorrie on their website say 0500.

In interviews to the media, it has been stated the time was 0420 for the last ping (stipulated as "Apps updating".

The data isn't perfect. But the time of the "last ping" no doubt should be known. And hopefully that helps the police at least (and they're the important people in this) build a picture.

Thank you James - you're a star and maybe I'm not as far round the bend as I thought I was.

So if the police say they have data up to 8am, why are the family saying 5am?

 

[MidsummersDay]

If that happened, how would we account for the fact that the phone was still pinging the BM mast until 8am when it stopped?

If the phone was in the bin lorry, and the bin lorry collected compacted paper and card at the recycling centre, and then went on to a larger facility, I would have expected the lorry to leave the BM mast area by 6am or 6.30am at the latest. In that case the phone would have pinged one or more other towers during its journey elsewhere.

It was the bin lorry driver in the recycling centre with the piece of lead pipe.

Absolutely correct Melmoth.

So that means it MUST be a third party with a different vehicle heading towards the BM mast area at least, and staking in it until 0800 or Corrie's phone staying in it until 0800.

the T/S/D equations suggest a 'slow ride'. That really only matches a fast cycle, milk float, combine harvester, moped or a drunk driver. Given that the best option is a car.....looks to me like a drunk driver coming from a party to collect Corrie. JMO

 

[Clevercat]

In the family update 21St Nov. It is stated that the vehicles are still under investigation, only surmiseing now but if they still just happened to be under investigation now, would that not mean most probably false plates, as cctv would have see them go in then out again so double chance to get the reg number, remember they know about the bin lorry so we're only talking about the 3 so won't take to long to check out if they were all OK, hopefully we will get an update soon on the website,

Good morning,
I'm a long time lurker but felt I may have something to add here.
l'm not sure that the police have a right to seize a vehicle without evidence of a crime being committed. Does anyone know the rules?
Could it be that they have indeed identified the further 3 vehicles but haven't been allowed to search one or more by the owner(s) and it is this which is preventing them being ruled out.

 

[nosnikliw]

Can anyone at all link to a statement that it was the lorry bin driver who saw the 3 teens at 4.20? I have just looked back at news reports and the find corrie site but can only find mention of teens being seen on CCTV. It is possible that the lorry binman seeing the teens was from a different company as the timings don't make sense. It is also possible that this is one of those things that someone has said without linking and it has been repeated and become "fact."

First post so hi

This has been bugging me. The only reference I can find is on Nov 2nd update on the find corrie page.

http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/02/breaking-news-2nd-november/



media reports say was 3 teenagers seen on cctv

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1942084/three-teen-witnesses-traced-missing-raf-man-corrie-mckeague/

Hope I've linked it right. Apologies if not

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[eeejay268]

Thank you James - you're a star and maybe I'm not as far round the bend as I thought I was.

So if the police say they have data up to 8am, why are the family saying 5am?

Maybe the ping was at 5, yet the phone was on till 8? Sorry i
dont know much about phones so apologies if incorrect guess. How often do phones ping over towers? At they pass? At a regular frequency? Or a combo of the 2?