UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #7

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  • #561
Just re read the Sufflok Police website for. 02 October 2016:

'Enquiries and information received over the past week have led police to believe he may have been in the Mildenhall area at some point between 4.30am and 8am on Saturday 24 September, and police would like to hear from anyone who may have seen or spoken to a man matching Corrie’s description in this area around this time.'.

I remember this, it was what first made me wonder about a USAF connection. However, it wasn't long before it transpired the phone pings were from that area so I think it must have been based on that rather than any tangible sightings. I don't recall there being any appeals to Mildenhall residents since then.
 
  • #562
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Reading the website of the Suffolk Police, it appears that they are continuing to investigate the disappearance of Corrie.
An effort in this investigation is the identification of people that were out in Bury on the evening and morning of his disappearance.

The Suffolk police state on their website (11 November) "Many theories are being explored and work is ongoing to trace everyone who was in the area around the key time as they may have information that may help".

That seems to indicate that the people on CCTV may have information that may help.

I don't want to make a nebulous and unfounded statement that the police wish to discount those who have been identified on CCTV...
...as that would indicate I was discounting them from "something" other than an enquiry into someone who is missing.

And to quote Detective Superintendent Katie Elliott &#8220;We have to keep an open mind as there is no key line of enquiry to take us in any one direction. We can&#8217;t rule anything out and therefore we have to continue to investigate all possibilities".

Unless of course something more is known.
 
  • #563
Suffolk Police statement dated 04 October 2016:

'The Nokia Lumia 435 phone is thought to have been in a black PVC leather case which was frayed and worn around the edges. An examination of the bin lorry seized has not located this and the vehicle has been released.'.
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  • #564
Just re read the Sufflok Police website for. 02 October 2016:

'Enquiries and information received over the past week have led police to believe he may have been in the Mildenhall area at some point between 4.30am and 8am on Saturday 24 September, and police would like to hear from anyone who may have seen or spoken to a man matching Corrie’s description in this area around this time.'.

Well isn't that interesting. So they had information or leads that suggest Corrie was with his phone after the ping? From equiries and leads I'd assume a little more than just the ping alone?

I don't wish to comment too much on some of the posts here. Everybody is responsible for themselves and as such should be able to accept responsibility for their posts. This is supposed to be a victim friendly site. I think the issues stem from wild accusations that from my personal experience came over here from somewhere else.

Peoples opinions are helpful, if they are presented as such. It's great to have a theory if you can explain why you've come to such a decision using the facts available to us. Last night I was discussing occums razor and the number of assumptions that have to be made to reach an opinion of events. I think this is important to remember.
 
  • #565
I remember this, it was what first made me wonder about a USAF connection. However, it wasn't long before it transpired the phone pings were from that area so I think it must have been based on that rather than any tangible sightings. I don't recall there being any appeals to Mildenhall residents since then.

My point is that it seems to have been changed. Sightings? I don't remember there being alleged sightings!
 
  • #566
My point is that it seems to have been changed. Sightings? I don't remember there being alleged sightings!

Where have you seen there may have been sightings in Mildenhall?
 
  • #567
In regards to meaningful progress I think we've hit a brick wall. We can only assume based on previous updates he left in a vehicle and based on forensic evidence there was no struggle.
 
  • #568
There could be a positive reason, although it was on the findcorrie website in a mid November update saying they were hoping to plan a public search and would announce a date soon. Then they delayed it until after the cctv viewing in the pod.
They need to find him, one way or the other. I'd say the sooner they can arrange well organised public searches the better, hopefully the search will bring answers, although sadly the answers may not necessarily be what the family is hoping for.

Agreed. We've had several references to Susan McLeans case and for good reason. Was she not found through a well organised search opposed to police searches? I think i read on her post someone was a bit concerned the police managed to miss her.

I have limited knowledge on public searches, in my limited knowledge searches by the public are usually carried out to find a body? Granted that isn't necessary the case here. For example Shannon Matthews (and forgives me as I don't have time to completely verify my thoughts I'm going on my memory) was the public searches decided on once the case was changed to a murder investigation due to evidence found?

Edit: I don't think it was Shannon Matthews, give me five minutes! I'll stop being lazy and have a look

Edit: it was April jones not Shannon Matthews, boy I look silly now!
 
  • #569
In regards to meaningful progress I think we've hit a brick wall. We can only assume based on previous updates he left in a vehicle and based on forensic evidence there was no struggle.

And from that as there is absolutely zero evidence of any criminal activity we don't have many conclusions we can draw
 
  • #570
And from that as there is absolutely zero evidence of any criminal activity we don't have many conclusions we can draw

Basically from what we have on solid facts the conclusion without any assumptions is he has made himself missing by his own accord. To believe there's criminal activity is the first assumption you really have to make.

I think it's a solid point that there is third party involvement whatever has happened for a vehicle to be involved.
 
  • #571
Agreed. We've had several references to Susan McLeans case and for good reason. Was she not found through a well organised search opposed to police searches? I think i read on her post someone was a bit concerned the police managed to miss her.

Yes, Susan's case was only solved IMO because of a local lady's own efforts and that Susan had a very good friend who travelled from the US to Scotland to help search. If it hadn't been for those two people I think Susan would still not have been found.

The police certainly missed Tia Sharp, didn't they search the house (with a dog, no less) three times before she was found? This was at the height of summer too....

We know the area around BSE is rural. It needs further searching.
 
  • #572
In the april jones case the whole community just went out and searched even the perp joined in the search. Because that search happened so fast the gruesome evidence was found quickly even though partly destroyed.
 
  • #573
Mobile phones - A few questions. I have mentioned it before but I am hoping we will have someone lurking with knowledge of the mobile phone industry.
1. Does a phone that has been turned off send a different "I am leaving the network send all calls to voicemail" message to the tower to one that is turning off itself due to a low battery? When a phone abrutly leaves a network (i.e destroyed without turning off) how is that dealt with?
2. Would a dual sim mobile phone use a different IMEI for each sim as I thought IMEI was just to identify the device? Is IMEI data sent with a ping or is it only queried when you try to bar a specific device from the phone network.
 
  • #574
In the april jones case the whole community just went out and searched even the perp joined in the search. Because that search happened so fast the gruesome evidence was found quickly even though partly destroyed.

All incredibly sad. I remember in the news the community helping.
 
  • #575
Yes, Susan's case was only solved IMO because of a local lady's own efforts and that Susan had a very good friend who travelled from the US to Scotland to help search. If it hadn't been for those two people I think Susan would still not have been found.

The police certainly missed Tia Sharp, didn't they search the house (with a dog, no less) three times before she was found? This was at the height of summer too....

We know the area around BSE is rural. It needs further searching.

I agree if they can get enough public people to help them it will be a vital and hopefully useful search.
 
  • #576
Mobile phones - A few questions. I have mentioned it before but I am hoping we will have someone lurking with knowledge of the mobile phone industry.
1. Does a phone that has been turned off send a different "I am leaving the network send all calls to voicemail" message to the tower to one that is turning off itself due to a low battery? When a phone abrutly leaves a network (i.e destroyed without turning off) how is that dealt with?
2. Would a dual sim mobile phone use a different IMEI for each sim as I thought IMEI was just to identify the device? Is IMEI data sent with a ping or is it only queried when you try to bar a specific device from the phone network.

I don't know about point 2 but I'm sure in the case of point 1 the mast cannot distinguish between a phone being turned off/drained of battery/destroyed
 
  • #577
Yes, Susan's case was only solved IMO because of a local lady's own efforts and that Susan had a very good friend who travelled from the US to Scotland to help search. If it hadn't been for those two people I think Susan would still not have been found.

The police certainly missed Tia Sharp, didn't they search the house (with a dog, no less) three times before she was found? This was at the height of summer too....

We know the area around BSE is rural. It needs further searching.

They also only found Helen Bailey's body in her own home because a neighbour took the trouble to ask whether they had searched the septic tank, they hadn't and possibly would never have done if no one had mentioned it
 
  • #578
I don't know about point 2 but I'm sure in the case of point 1 the mast cannot distinguish between a phone being turned off/drained of battery/destroyed

I'm not sure that's correct, I think the deliberate act of turning a phone off sends a different signal to a gradual battery drain but I don't know for sure either, it would be a really useful question to have a definitive answer to.
 
  • #579
In regards to meaningful progress I think we've hit a brick wall. We can only assume based on previous updates he left in a vehicle and based on forensic evidence there was no struggle.


I think that is about the size of it DC.

The possible "wait" has never been discussed (although we are told he was in the doorway for 2 hours... but we're also told this was absolutely normal behaviour)

And one of the of three vehicles "in the area" (so I gather that means they either "passed through the camera's view", therefore they were either in the horseshoe area or "stopped in the camera's view", so didn't go into the horseshoe) must be involved somewhere along the line.

And that is an interesting point in itself.

Originally the narrative was "he was in the area...and later a bin lorry was in the area".
Those two events were linked due to the phone pings corresponding with the bin lorry's route.
The conclusion was thus. Either Corrie and his phone were in the bin lorry or at least his phone was.

Of course "adding in" more vehicles means that concision changes a great deal.

There is actually only a 1 in 4 chance of his phone being in that bin lorry. Not the best odds to base an opinion on.
Yet, all we knew at first was "there was a bin lorry there", so jumping to a conclusion was simple. Very simple. One may even say... it was a requirement.

Because, if you play with the idea that a car (at least) departed that area prior to the bin lorry even arriving (and leaving), then you would have to say "no one would willingly get a lift of a bin lorry....".

And by using the term "willingly", you'd have to examine the possibility of Corrie "waiting in Bury until someone arrived" or getting a "random lift" off someone there. Someone at a bin loading area ? Hardly what you'd call "passing traffic" !

I don't think a narrative of "Corrie was waiting for someone and when they arrived, it appears he got in their car...." would have been too helpful.
 
  • #580
I think at least one of the cars is the key thing right now and especially so as so little is being said about them compared to the CCTV of people.

An elaboration on what identified means regards them would be helpful but I guess/hope it just means they are making solid progress. Just seems to be taking a lot longer than I would imagine.
 
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