UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #9

[cotswoldemmie]

Was this a verbal statement given by the family or the police? I can't find anything but feel sure it was from an official source. Anyone?


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https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

It's the October 2nd update from the Suffolk Police website

 

[cotswoldemmie]

Was this a verbal statement given by the family or the police? I can't find anything but feel sure it was from an official source. Anyone?


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https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

It's the October 2nd update from the Suffolk Police website

 

[MidsummersDay]

http://www.coastalscene24.co.uk/new...ce_is_far_more_important_1_4728133?usurv=skip

Sounds very similar to the three teenagers seen by the bin lorry driver...which I thought had been eliminated?
JMO


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[Deleted member 178385]

Sounds very similar to the three teenagers seen by the bin lorry driver...which I thought had been eliminated?
JMO


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They have been, according to the findcorrie.co.uk site. This is an old article - dated 7th October.

 

[Mindie304]

I also thought they were seen twice ! And we're very rowdy so a lady reported them. But can not find it anywhere now

 

[MidsummersDay]

http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/has-corries-phone-been-checked/

Corrie's phone last pinged Barton Mills mast at 0500. This was verbally stated by the family very early on as 0458.


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[MidsummersDay]

So if we're happy now with the timings of 0430 BSE & 0500 (0458) BM....I'll update my information images.


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[cotswoldemmie]

So if we're happy now with the timings of 0430 BSE & 0500 (0458) BM....I'll update my information images.


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Could I just ask though, why the police have clearly said 4.30 in Mildenhall and NOT BSE? Surely they have more reliable access to phone information than the family would?
I don't understand why an official police statement isn't being taken as fact?

 

[Clevercat]

I'm gonna stick my neck out here and suggest that if he used a particular messaging app at 0308, he'd have been using it during the day (and prior to that).
Where does that leave us if it's Whatsapp?


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[Shiressleuth]

Last phone ping at BSE mast area was 0430.
Phone entered BM mast area 0458.
Phone stopped working at BM mast area at approx 0800.


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So if we're happy now with the timings of 0430 BSE & 0500 (0458) BM....I'll update my information images.


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If you are taking the family website 0500 statement as the last ping that is not correct because LE have said 8 a.m. It boils down to whether the LE data or family data is reliable. 2 souces different data and it is crucial. 0430 on mildenhall is LE statement so why are we ignoring that? By all means update the map but I don't think its correct. I brought this up a couple of days ago and it needs to be looked at to see which source we go with surely?

 

[Deleted member 178385]

If the LE statement we're going by is this one:

"Enquiries and information received over the past week have led police to believe he may have been in the Mildenhall area at some point between 4.30am and 8am on Saturday 24 September, and police would like to hear from anyone who may have seen or spoken to a man matching Corrie’s description in this area around this time."

Then that doesn't say to me he's definitely in Mildenhall at 4.30am. All it says is that he's in Mildenhall at some point between 4.30am and 8am. Assuming this police statement IS based on phone pings, my interpretation of that would be that there was a ping in BSE at 4.30am and a final ping in Mildenhall at 8am, therefore he was in Mildenhall at some point between those times.

 

[PilgrimsPrayer]

Not commented for a while because of the repetitive cycle but I do wish to add the following:

IMO the theory that this was a pre-arranged lift from the horseshoe is not really valid, especially if the lift was from a "local friend". The reason being that there is no logic behind arranging a meeting at that location. It is pedestrianised and difficult to access. Outside Pizza Mama Mia however is a large lay-by and two direct feeds out of town.

Here is another question, if Corrie is such an affable chap and will "talk to anyone" why didn't he go on to another bar? LP bar is directly opposite Flex and he passes Karooze to get to Pizza Mama Mia...

I also think that we should discount him buying food for the 330 "pickup" at 130AM, would a cold burger really be that appetising when you are driving past a 24 hour McDonald's in BM?

I can't quite stitch it all together but my presumption at this stage is that he did walk out of the horseshoe, got a lift to Mildenhall and then.....

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I agree. The information from the police is different to what the family have said. I'd suggest that unless/until someone is willing to ask either the family or the police for clarification we shouldn't be making it "official" on here.

Yet another frustrating anomaly in this case.

 

[Dcflag]

If the LE statement we're going by is this one:

"Enquiries and information received over the past week have led police to believe he may have been in the Mildenhall area at some point between 4.30am and 8am on Saturday 24 September, and police would like to hear from anyone who may have seen or spoken to a man matching Corrie’s description in this area around this time."

Then that doesn't say to me he's definitely in Mildenhall at 4.30am. All it says is that he's in Mildenhall at some point between 4.30am and 8am. Assuming this police statement IS based on phone pings, my interpretation of that would be that there was a ping in BSE at 4.30am and a final ping in Mildenhall at 8am, therefore he was in Mildenhall at some point between those times.

I agree. That statement doesn't say anything about phone pings just that he left bse and they know he went to mildenhall (or his phone)

If the bin lorry and phone pings match each other and the bin lorry was still in bse at 4.20 then the phone wasn't in mildenhall at 4.30

 

[MidsummersDay]

Could I just ask though, why the police have clearly said 4.30 in Mildenhall and NOT BSE? Surely they have more reliable access to phone information than the family would?
I don't understand why an official police statement isn't being taken as fact?

Very good point. So if the police's 'facts' are to be prioritised over the family's 'facts' then that's going to throw a spanner in the works for our timeline.


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[Dcflag]

I agree. The information from the police is different to what the family have said. I'd suggest that unless/until someone is willing to ask either the family or the police for clarification we shouldn't be making it "official" on here.

Yet another frustrating anomaly in this case.

The family have given clarification many times, but for obvious reasons we cannot source it. The police have never given any definitive times for the phone pings themselves. All you can glean from the police statement is that the phone wasn't is bse from around 4.30am and that it went in the Barton mills/mildenhall direction. According to the families 4.30am bse ping and 4.58am ping in bm this matches each other in my opinion.

I'm not sure where the clarification is needed. The bin lorry was definately in bse at 4.20 so for the police to have even considered the phone to be in the bin lorry the phone couldn't have pinged bm at 4.30

 

[Dcflag]

Could I just ask though, why the police have clearly said 4.30 in Mildenhall and NOT BSE? Surely they have more reliable access to phone information than the family would?
I don't understand why an official police statement isn't being taken as fact?

The police don't actually mention the phone pings at all. The are asking for sightings of Corrie in the mildenhall area between 4.30-8am, which completely fits the families statement that the phone pinged bse and then Barton mills. They know the bin lorry was in bse at 4.20am. They know the phone was in the range of the bse mast at 4.30am. The know the phone was in the range of the Barton mills mast at 4.58am. They can't possibly know when the phone was in mildenhall especially if they only have phone pings that rely on signal strength of which we know EE has very patchy in the area.

The 4.30-8am sighting period is to cover their backs.

 

[Polo]

I honestly think that as the facts provided by the family vary, that maybe we should just work on those provided by the Police? I know that with the exception of the CCTV images being published, the Police reports have been somewhat thin on the ground, but maybe there's a reason for this? I have read the many reports published by Suffolk Police and feel that the following maybe significant in some way.

29th September - It is known that Corrie liked to walk home following a night out.

2nd October - Enquiries and information received over the past week have led Police to believe that he may have been in the Mildenhall area at some point between 4.30 and 8am on Saturday 24th December. Police would like to speak to anyone who may have seen or spoken to a man matching Corrie's description in this area around this time.

10th October - There isn't 100% CCTV footage in the area.

11th October - At least one person who Police have spoken to during the course of enquiries said Corrie told them he was planning to walk home.
Officers are also revisiting possible routes from the town centre to see if any other footage may be available.
Includes the possibility that Corrie may have attempted to walk home but not been captured on CCTV, that he has willingly gone with someone else, perhaps in a vehicle or that something else may have happened.
At this stage there is no evidence of criminality and nothing to indicate any third party involvement.

Please read the other, almost daily reports as this does indicate that the Police have ploughed endless hours into this investigation, including searches and trawling through CCTV footage.

IMHO, I believe that there is not 100% CCTV coverage in the area that Corrie was last seen.
It seems that maybe the Police have something else other than the phone ping which leads them to believe that Corrie was in the Mildenhall area between the times stated.
The Police had clearly been through the relevant CCTV by 11th October and had presumably found nothing which is why they 'revisited' any possible routes.
The Police have maintained right the way through this investigation as confirmed in their other reports, that there is NO evidence of criminality and nothing to indicate any third party involvement.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Could I just ask though, why the police have clearly said 4.30 in Mildenhall and NOT BSE? Surely they have more reliable access to phone information than the family would?
I don't understand why an official police statement isn't being taken as fact?

If you are taking the family website 0500 statement as the last ping that is not correct because LE have said 8 a.m. It boils down to whether the LE data or family data is reliable. 2 souces different data and it is crucial. 0430 on mildenhall is LE statement so why are we ignoring that? By all means update the map but I don't think its correct. I brought this up a couple of days ago and it needs to be looked at to see which source we go with surely?

The family have given clarification many times, but for obvious reasons we cannot source it. The police have never given any definitive times for the phone pings themselves. All you can glean from the police statement is that the phone wasn't is bse from around 4.30am and that it went in the Barton mills/mildenhall direction. According to the families 4.30am bse ping and 4.58am ping in bm this matches each other in my opinion.

I'm not sure where the clarification is needed. The bin lorry was definately in bse at 4.20 so for the police to have even considered the phone to be in the bin lorry the phone couldn't have pinged bm at 4.30

In some ways it's not that relevant. Whatever info the police and family have they all seem to be satisfied that the phone was in a bin and made it to whichever dump/tip/recycling plant it went to.

I do still wonder if Corrie was in the cab of that bin lorry whether it was a random lift or prearranged meet up. It would explain how he left unseen and how his phone tracked that route. But who knows!!

 

[Scorpio1]

So we know that the bin lorry was in the area at 4.20, as that is the time the bin man saw the 3 kids, that is nearly on hour arter corrie was last seen at 3.23, what did he do in that time? I suggest that it is more likely that he put the phone in the bin and eather got a lift or walked out and was long gone before the bin lorry turns up,