UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #9

[Deleted member 178385]

Or have they got the phone and not admitted it perhaps JMO?

Unlikely, given there's no mention in the article itself of any phone recovery - just the photo caption.

 

[jessie]

Oh good grief - what is going on today. Didn't mean to post twice and now cannot cancel. Never mind, the intention was there.

 

[cotswoldemmie]

0300: Shift start time & vehicle checked
0340: Vehicle departs for SB
0400: Bin man enters SB
0405: Driver fills in collection paperwork.
0415: Bin man starts collection procedure
0420: Bin man sees three teenagers in SB
0425: Bin man finishes collection procedure
0430: Bin man departs SB for BM
0500: Bin lorry arrives at BM roundabout.

21(15): Corrie feeds the dog and locks him in the bathroom.
21(30): Two cars with Corrie's workmates depart Hon.
2139: Corrie departs Hon in his own car (with a passenger?).
2200: Corrie parks in disabled bay in Robert Roby Way.
2200-2300: Corrie drinks in his car whilst making a phone call to Darroch.
2305: Corrie walks to SoBar pub and meets up with work colleagues.
2320: Corrie walks to Weatherspoons.
0025: Corrie enters Flex night club.
0040: Corrie is 'ejected' from the nightclub.
0055: Corrie enters kebab shop.
0110: Corrie leaves kebab shop with kebab, chips and two burgers.
0115: Corrie seen walking purposefully towards The Grapes pub.

0300: Shift start time for bin man. Vehicle checked.
0308: Corrie sends/receives photo image from Hughes.
0340: Running man, Lurker & Legs man seen in 'Horseshoe'.
0349: Bin lorry departs (Hollow Lane) for BSE.
0400: Bin lorry enters SB.
0405: Bin lorry driver fills in collection paperwork.
0410: Bins lorry driver starts collection procedure.
0415: Bin(s) emptied in 'Horseshoe' area.
0420: Three teenagers seen in Shortbrackland by bin man.
0425: Bin man finishes collection procedure in SB.
0430: Corrie's phone left the BSE mast area. Bin lorry departs SB along A1101 for BM.
0450: (Bin lorry is at Barton Mills roundabout.)
0458: Corrie's phone enters BM mast area.
0503: (Corrie's phone would be at BM roundabout at this time.
0505: (Bin lorry is at Mildenhall HWRC).
0800: Corrie's phone goes silent within the BM mast area.


The times that seem fairly accurately stated are based on travel times taken away from fact based times.

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That's a great timeline and fact collection, we now just need the verifiable source for each of them.
However I bet when we've done that, we're going to be left with very little verified/official information.

It's impossible to match up pings with bin lorries when we do not know categorically that the family "ping" info is correct. The police have never confirmed it or even mentioned it "pings". Rather they've mentioned phone data analysis which places Corrie/his phone in Mildenhall.
Neither do we have official or verifiable sources to confirm the times that the bin lorry was out and about.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Great work. Except how do we do know the binman faffed about doing paperwork?

I do not accept that a bin lorry making one collection took anywhere near 25 minutes to do so. Which means if he was there at 4:20 (and we don't know if that's even true) the 4am suggestion was probably just a guesstimate.

Wonder why the bin lorry only picked up one of the Biffa bins (is it confirmed it was Biffa?) when there are a few others in the area. Crazy to have someone dawdling about on night shifts rates just to pick up a bagful of paper. The more I think about it the more I feel suspicious of the binman or bin company.

I'm not sure he only made one collection here either but looking at the bins in this photo suggests just one or two max?

The bin man times are reading between the lines and based on the 0420 teenager sighting at the back of Cornwalk. The collection time duration could very well be eroded due to amount of bins, amount of paperwork and driving speed....

I don't even know if it has been confirmed as Biffa but with there site in Hollow Lane and Biffa bins already in place, chances are that it was a Biffa collection bin that was lifted.


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[Shiressleuth]

Have I missed something (don't have time to go through all the posts I've missed) but in that Express report, under the pic of Corrie it says 'police forensics found no evidence of blood on the young man's recovered phone'
Have they found his phone or is this shoddy reporting like the cars have been traced and discounted?

Is it meant to say "no evidence of blood OR the young mans phone"? (not sure where the 'recovered' bit fits in)

I've said it before and I'll say it again - given how much apparent information we are receiving from the family and the press (though not much from the police) much of it is misleading. Quantity over quality I think.

It definitely says recovered phone and this is an MSM source. If they have recovered the phone and haven't told the family that could be the "betrayal" IMO.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Now, if the father believes Corrie might have been picked up from Short B, doesn't that suggest that the police have told him it's an option? Because IF the police confirmed Tony's assertion that it is impossible to have left on foot, dad wouldn't be suggesting otherwise.

It makes sense there is a "black hole"... standing in the open bit of bin area you wouldn't be seen by the Cornhill cameras, you wouldn't be seen by the Short B private CCTV and you'd only be on the rotating camera for 42 seconds out of 210. Apparently.

Is there really no chance Corrie went for a wee, crossed over to Short B and got hit by a car coming from behind him round the same corner? Or, how SURE are we that he definitely would have been filmed up Short B? How far up Short B?

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[MidsummersDay]

Very detailed! Are you able to link your sources, or would you like us all to chip in with finding the relevant links?

I'm working on linking in the facts to the times (such as 0420: bin man sees...etc).
Please feel free to all chip in and I'll amend and keep posting the amended one.
This forum is about communicating, discussing and fleshing out the details. We're lucky to be part of a democratic and respectful forum so chip in folks!


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[cotswoldemmie]

0300: Shift start time & vehicle checked
0340: Vehicle departs for SB
0400: Bin man enters SB
0405: Driver fills in collection paperwork.
0415: Bin man starts collection procedure
0420: Bin man sees three teenagers in SB
0425: Bin man finishes collection procedure
0430: Bin man departs SB for BM
0500: Bin lorry arrives at BM roundabout.

21(15): Corrie feeds the dog and locks him in the bathroom.
21(30): Two cars with Corrie's workmates depart Hon.
2139: Corrie departs Hon in his own car (with a passenger?).
2200: Corrie parks in disabled bay in Robert Roby Way.
2200-2300: Corrie drinks in his car whilst making a phone call to Darroch.
2305: Corrie walks to SoBar pub and meets up with work colleagues.
2320: Corrie walks to Weatherspoons.
0025: Corrie enters Flex night club.
0040: Corrie is 'ejected' from the nightclub.
0055: Corrie enters kebab shop.
0110: Corrie leaves kebab shop with kebab, chips and two burgers.
0115: Corrie seen walking purposefully towards The Grapes pub.

0300: Shift start time for bin man. Vehicle checked.
0308: Corrie sends/receives photo image from Hughes.
0340: Running man, Lurker & Legs man seen in 'Horseshoe'.
0349: Bin lorry departs (Hollow Lane) for BSE.
0400: Bin lorry enters SB.
0405: Bin lorry driver fills in collection paperwork.
0410: Bins lorry driver starts collection procedure.
0415: Bin(s) emptied in 'Horseshoe' area.
0420: Three teenagers seen in Shortbrackland by bin man.
0425: Bin man finishes collection procedure in SB.
0430: Corrie's phone left the BSE mast area. Bin lorry departs SB along A1101 for BM.
0450: (Bin lorry is at Barton Mills roundabout.)
0458: Corrie's phone enters BM mast area.
0503: (Corrie's phone would be at BM roundabout at this time.
0505: (Bin lorry is at Mildenhall HWRC).
0800: Corrie's phone goes silent within the BM mast area.


The times that seem fairly accurately stated are based on travel times taken away from fact based times.

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That's a great timeline and fact collection, we now just need the verifiable source for each of them.
However I bet when we've done that, we're going to be left with very little verified/official information.

It's impossible to match up pings with bin lorries when we do not know categorically that the family "ping" info is correct. The police have never confirmed it or even mentioned it "pings". Rather they've mentioned phone data analysis which places Corrie/his phone in Mildenhall.
Neither do we have official or verifiable sources to confirm the times that the bin lorry was out and about.

 

[cotswoldemmie]

Can someone remind me the source of the police 8am disconnection info? I have the family 5am source (here, for anyone else looking) but can't find the police saying the phone disconnected at 8am.

It was in the early interview with the police officer, Nicola and Darroch.
I can't look for the link because I'm in a meeting and can't risk the volume coming up really loud if it starts playing! [emoji849]

 

[Deleted member 178385]

It was in the early interview with the police officer, Nicola and Darroch.
I can't look for the link because I'm in a meeting and can't risk the volume coming up really loud if it starts playing! [emoji849]

Thank you! Link here for anyone else looking.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I'm gonna take a timeout till that MSM is verified

 

[MidsummersDay]

Especially if he took as long on the second stop as the BSE one plus a break in mcD that could be another hour easy.

The driver will be governed by Drivers Hours (Tachograph) as well as European WTD. The suggested start time for this particular shift was around 0300-0330. All bin lorry times have pivoted around that time and the factual 0420 teenager sighting by the bin lorry driver in the rear of Cornwalk.
If the shift start time could be exacted it would help immensely. Additional variables are the legal rest breaks for the tachograph (compulsory) and the variable rest breaks to suit the WTD issues. Complicated stuff which I could most definitely work out if I had a start time, a copy of his work sheet and his tachograph download for that day.


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[MidsummersDay]

AMENDED SPECULATIVE TIMELINE.

0300: Shift start time & vehicle checked
0340: Vehicle departs for SB
0400: Bin man enters SB
0405: Driver fills in collection paperwork.
0415: Bin man starts collection procedure
0420: Bin man sees three teenagers in SB
0425: Bin man finishes collection procedure
0430: Bin man departs SB for BM
0500: Bin lorry arrives at BM roundabout.

21(15): Corrie feeds the dog and locks him in the bathroom.
21(30): Two cars with Corrie's workmates depart Hon.
2139: Corrie departs Hon in his own car (with a passenger?).
2200: Corrie parks in disabled bay in Robert Roby Way.
2200-2300: Corrie drinks in his car whilst making a phone call to Darroch.
2305: Corrie walks to SoBar pub and meets up with work colleagues.
2320: Corrie walks to Weatherspoons.
0025: Corrie enters Flex night club.
0040: Corrie is 'ejected' from the nightclub.
0055: Corrie enters kebab shop.
0110: Corrie leaves kebab shop with kebab, chips and two burgers.
0115: Corrie seen walking purposefully towards The Grapes pub.

0300: Shift start time for bin man. Vehicle checked.
0308: Corrie sends/receives photo image from Hughes.
0324: Last CCTV sighting of Corrie.
0340: Running man, Lurker & Legs man seen in 'Horseshoe'.
0349: Bin lorry departs (Hollow Lane) for BSE.
0400: Bin lorry enters SB.
0405: Bin lorry driver fills in collection paperwork.
0410: Bins lorry driver starts collection procedure of ONE BIN with 11kgs of material in it. It then drives to its next pick up in Mildenhall and onto the recycling centre outside of the county via the Barton Mills roundabout.
0420: Bin man finishes collection procedure in SB. Three teenagers seen in Shortbrackland by bin man.
0430: Corrie's phone left the BSE mast area. Bin lorry departs SB and heads towards Mildenhall for a collection, along A1101 via the BM roundabout.
0450: (Bin lorry is at Barton Mills roundabout.)
0458: Corrie's phone enters BM mast area.
0503: (Corrie's phone would be at BM roundabout at this time.
0505: (Bin lorry is at Mildenhall).
0800: Corrie's phone goes silent within the BM mast area.

To save me wading through hundreds of links, can everyone pick a fact and post a link so I can re-amend the timeline please. Otherwise I'll be here forever.
TIA.


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[JerricaBenton]

In the CCTV of Corrie heading to the bin area, does it look like he was going to walk past, but someone in a car in the horseshoe area calls over to him (possibly along the lines of "Oi, over here a minute mate") and that is why he looks around then sheepishly walks over to the bins? So, not a pre-arranged meet but he goes over to see what it is they want ... and then I've no idea.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Does anyone know of any commercial outlets in Mildenhall that would need their waste (have we settled on which type of waste yet?) emptying by Biffa (are we settling on Biffa?)?

I'm going to try and work out the complications of the route timings for the bin lorry. Melmoth/RogertheLodger, do you think you could ascertain if Biffa in BSE collect from the Horseshoe. If so, what is the shift start time for that job and what are the collection points, how long, arrival times etc?
TIA.


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[Deleted member 178385]

AMENDED SPECULATIVE TIMELINE.

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To save me wading through hundreds of links, can everyone pick a fact and post a link so I can re-amend the timeline please. Otherwise I'll be here forever.
TIA.

I'll start!

2139: Corrie departs Hon in his own car (with a passenger?).

What time did Corrie Leave RAF Honington?
Corrie Left Base at approx 10pm on Friday 23rd September.

Source

 

[jessie]

Police have ongoing enquiries to trace Corrie and continue to appeal for anyone who may have seen him in the early hours of Saturday 24 September, anyone who may have seen him since or anyone with information about where he is now to come forward.

Officers are looking into a reported sighting of a man dressed in light coloured clothing walking near the Hollow Road industrial estate, at the back of the sugar beet factory around 4.20am. It should be stressed that this is not a confirmed sighting and police are asking anyone who may have been in this area, or in the vicinity, to come forward regardless of whether you saw anything or not.

At this time there are no confirmed sightings of Corrie after 3.25am in Brentgovel Street.

It is important that anyone who may have anything that may help comes forward as soon as possible.

Today further searches are being carried out between the A143 and A134, with Suffolk and Norfolk police search teams being joined by specialist search trained RAF personnel and Suffolk Lowland Search and Rescue volunteers.

Police are continuing to ask anyone who may have been out in the Bury St Edmunds, Honington or Barton Mills area in the early hours of Saturday 24 September to come forward.

https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague


Would/could this work in with any factual info given out ? Really it's the only possible link available so far.

 

[GirlfromUK]

I'll carry on: (don't know how to do the snipping bit :-( )

0324: Last CCTV sighting of Corrie.

"When and where was Corrie last seen? 03:25 on Saturday 24th September 2016 on Brentgoval street. Bury St Edmunds."

Source family 'findcorrie' website under FAQ

 

[Deleted member 178385]

0308: Corrie sends/receives photo image from Hughes.

Has the text message Corrie sent at 03:08 been looked in to?
YES, Corrie sent a picture message to a friend, it was part of an earlier conversation.

Source

 

[Polo]

It was in the early interview with the police officer, Nicola and Darroch.
I can't look for the link because I'm in a meeting and can't risk the volume coming up really loud if it starts playing! [emoji849]

The information from the Police regarding the phone comes from 2 separate reports a day apart. One report states that they believe Corrie was in the Mildenhall area between 4.30 and 8am and the 2nd report doesn't mention times but says the phone does not move after this and it has not been used since. I presume therefore this is linked to 8am.