Yes, I too had noticed jeans being worn in all of the available clothing descriptions.Dec 03, 1979, page 3 - The Daily Telegraph at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com
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Sally Shepherd, it mentions her post mortem. Many broken ribs, so crushed her spinal chord was damaged, severe head injuries, she was alive but unconscious when raped (as was Lynne Weedon).
It also states she bad been wearing jeans tucked into her boots. Everyone of these cases where I have been able to find clothing descriptions at least, they've been wearing jeans or trousers, including Eve Stratford when she went out the day she was murdered, I will have to try and find the newspaper piece again as it had a photo of a policewoman dressed up for a reconstruction (not sure if they were her actual clothes).
The battery described on Sally was also similar on Elizabeth Parravicini who besides being bashed on the head, was punched and kicked to death according to one of these news stories.
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Elizabeth Parravicini
It mentions her children's ages, 4 and 2 and their names Enrico and Zoë, they probably grew up in Italy with a semi broken connection to all this.
Money was still in her handbag.
Mentions the similar attack to Lynne Weedon nearby.
Of the group EP was with (her theatrical friends) one of the men accompanied her so far home, leaving her at Hammersmith station from which she changed to a Hounslow direction train for Osterley.
EP was wearing brown shoes, tight jeans (as stated previously she may not have been raped due to difficulty removing them) a rust coloured woolly sweater.
Police also think the killer may have been disturbed by someone walking by. They obviously believe it was sexually motivated.
Blondes or mainly blonde too.
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Eve Stratford was attacked shortly after returning home. While out she was wearing a blue denim trouser suit, a white sweater and brown trilby hat. A policewoman who it states was tall like ES, wore her clothes in a construction.
Yep, indeed, and such brutality. Appalling level of violence.
Are you referring to him being a non secretor? I mentioned that earlier, it means that his blood type doesn't show in sperm and saliva. Back in the 60s, 70s etc they only tested DNA samples for blood type. It doesn't mean there's an issue with his DNA samples after it was discovered that everyone's DNA was different and could be read like a bar code.
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Eve Stratford
(I don't greatly like looking through the very many ES press releases since most are sensationalist and hyping up the sexual angle of her being a bunny girl, her looks etc to sell newspapers, but some like this one do have useful info)
Eve was seen being followed when returning home, 30 yards behind her, the description sounds rather like the man seen following Elizabeth Parravicini. Which dark hair, around 5ft8", well built sounds like a way of saying stocky. Oh and between 35 and 40, but I am pretty sure a lot of people have difficulty judging ages from all I have witnessed.
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Eve Stratford
(I don't greatly like looking through the very many ES press releases since most are sensationalist and hyping up the sexual angle of her being a bunny girl, her looks etc to sell newspapers, but some like this one do have useful info)
Eve was seen being followed when returning home, 30 yards behind her, the description sounds rather like the man seen following Elizabeth Parravicini. Which dark hair, around 5ft8", well built sounds like a way of saying stocky. Oh and between 35 and 40, but I am pretty sure a lot of people have difficulty judging ages from all I have witnessed.
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Being a secretor or nonsecretor has no impact on modern DNA techniques, only the bloodtyping techniques of the past that are no longer used. If they have a sample from the crime scene, and a sample of Sutcliffe's DNA, then they can compare them.
I feel that maybe there should be a reminder that this thread mainly refers to Eve Stratford, Lynne Weedon and the fact their murders were linked by the DNA of an unknown man who is NOT Peter Sutcliffe as they have had his DNA on file since the 1990s to compare against.
Peter Sutcliffe only enters this discussion due to these two murders previously considered by many to have possibly / probably been committed by him before DNA ruled him out. The fact that many cold cases of brutal murders in the London area are also often thought to have been committed by him in the same time period when he may have been visiting means those murders may be just as likely, maybe more likely to have been committed by our mystery killer of Eve and Lynne. Those cases obviously with no known DNA present as if there were then it would have already been compared to both Sutcliffe and the unknown murderer here. Also there are currently zero proven murders by Sutcliffe in the London area.
Most of these London cold cases mentioned here have things in common that were not part of Sutcliffe's mission.
Better then probably to not get too hung up on the Sutcliffe angle on this thread.
Peter Sutcliffe only enters this discussion due to these two murders previously considered by many to have possibly / probably been committed by him before DNA ruled him out. The fact that many cold cases of brutal murders in the London area are also often thought to have been committed by him in the same time period when he may have been visiting means those murders may be just as likely, maybe more likely to have been committed by our mystery killer of Eve and Lynne. Those cases obviously with no known DNA present as if there were then it would have already been compared to both Sutcliffe and the unknown murderer here. Also there are currently zero proven murders by Sutcliffe in the London area.
Most of these London cold cases mentioned here have things in common that were not part of Sutcliffe's mission.
Better then probably to not get too hung up on the Sutcliffe angle on this thread.
Often experts say the first murder or crime take place close to home and somewhere the person knows, feels safe and in control, unfortunately we don't know who his first victim was and if (probably did) he committed other crimes before.
We only have two proven victims and they lived on opposite sides of London, in both cases I have read police believe he lived in or knew the area well. Well he may have lived in both areas. London is a big city and people like everywhere fit into different categories, home bodies who like to stick local except if they have to travel to work. People with lots of friends or acquaintances that they travel all over London to see. I have had two ex partners who were like that and thought nothing of disappearing half the day travelling across London to see people.
If this guy was following people home then he could have done so from central London since a few of these ladies were returning home from there. Some LI have stated that this man may have been known to MH professionals since the attacks were so violent that he may have serious issues, so on the other hand, did he keep to himself and wander, just follow people he was attracted to, or repelled by, or both, home.
For many people moving home is more regular in London as it's overcrowded, expensive and your landlady/ landlord can just decide to up your rent or turf you out quite quickly. It's not unusual to rent just a room or share a flat etc. It's odd nobody came forward with a story of someone saying they think it was so and so because he admitted to one of them or what sounded like one if the killings, or that he knew one of the victims. Nobody came forward to mention that he came home covered in blood. I wonder if he was very self composed when not murdering someone. It does seem like there are a few attacks in the Hounslow area were committed by him and therefore he may have lived in or visited the area often.
Some partial maps already exist although they may take in some cold cases that have questions hanging over them, some more than others, on being included. However I'll share what I found anyway.
The map with Hounslow, shows where Lynne and Elizabeth were killed and is from wikipedia. It's located on the entry for Patsy Morris where it's considered if these 3 cold cases are linked considering location, time period...I don't find a strong likeness in Patsy's murder to our unknown killer of Lynne and Eve, unless we decide he really liked to switch up his M.O.
Unless disturbed, Patsy was fully clothed and seemingly not sexually assaulted. In fact she was wearing two pairs of knickers and I'm pretty sure the police would have checked they were both hers to rule out some weird kink of the killer to add clothing. The link to Levi Belfield, his gf at some time, makes some people think she was his first victim, he was often truant and was so that day plus she was found in a place he frequented. Some of his childhood friends apparently felt he wasn't temperamental as a child, this gained from a documentary about him, I can't recall which one. As an adult Levi had a short and violent temper and could be vengeful. It's just weird all these murders would fit Belfield too, much too young though.
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The other map comes from the Daily Mail and includes Lynda Farrow who may also have been murdered by contract via the husband she was separated from. The police have considered both options. Most sources say there was no DNA, some say there was, the murder weapon wasn't removed as with most of these ladies. Also Lynda was fully clothed and not raped, it's possible the killer was disturbed.
Police hunting bunny girl killer make fresh appeal 40 years later
Police investigating the historic murders of Eve Stratford (pictured), a 22-year-old who worked at London's Playboy club and schoolgirl Lynne Weedon, 16, have launched a fresh appeal for information.
This leaves Sally Shepherd not included in either map as Peckham is partway between the East and West murders plus south of the river (Thames)
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I personally think attention should be paid more closely to her immediate social circle as well as her then boyfriends.
There wasn't a break in was there? If not this could imply she had knowledge of the person who murdered her. Get a feeling it was grudge orientated of a jilting. The ferocious nature of the attack could reflect this.
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If there was a jilting, I think it might have all been in the perpetrator's head.
From the article at the beginning of the thread:
Just a few days before she was killed, Eve had posed for the front cover of the adult magazine Mayfair, which police later concluded had likely enticed her killer. In her interview, she had spoken openly about her sex life and had said that she lived alone with a cat.
It also emerged during the course of the investigation that she had received a number of mysterious phone calls, including three on the day of her murder. Each time, the caller would either hang up or would whisper obscenities down the line.
That sounds like classic stalker behaviour to me. Possibly someone she'd never even met. Someone who'd seen her in magazines, in her club, and used the information available to find her. People didn't understand stalking the way they do now, back in the '70s. This feels to me a bit like the celebrity stalkers, those ones that imagine a relationship with the target, and can become very very dangerous when anything threatens that delusion. Her just reacting with panic and struggle when he approached her in person could have been enough for him to feel justified in killing her. Or, it could have always been the endgame. People don't generally arm themselves to approach a crush.
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And the attack on Lynne Weedon? What grudge could he have with a 16 year old quiet schoolgirl girl who rarely went out?
I posted two sections covering the 2 definite and 3 possible on either side of London, it just missed Sally Shepherd in Peckham.
I added the two missing ladies to this one as it covers the area of London needed, added the years they died too.
Police hunting bunny girl killer make fresh appeal 40 years later
Police investigating the historic murders of Eve Stratford (pictured), a 22-year-old who worked at London's Playboy club and schoolgirl Lynne Weedon, 16, have launched a fresh appeal for information.
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I posted two sections covering the 2 definite and 3 possible on either side of London, it just missed Sally Shepherd in Peckham.
I added the two missing ladies to this one as it covers the area of London needed, added the years they died too.
Police hunting bunny girl killer make fresh appeal 40 years later
Police investigating the historic murders of Eve Stratford (pictured), a 22-year-old who worked at London's Playboy club and schoolgirl Lynne Weedon, 16, have launched a fresh appeal for information.
I have been reading a great many historic news stories from the time on two different sites, there were a lot of bunny girls and girls looking to go into modelling also stating they were getting threatening phone calls, her mother did after she died. I personally think this is partly due to the times when women like this were looked down on even in death and men felt entitled to treat women how they wanted.
But the girls going to the press stating they were getting calls and alongside a semi nude photo of them pouting and alluring with the article all sexed up, it felt like they were using it for self publicity and the press to have a sexy story. Many of the articles on Eve feel like they are trying to have a crime / soft
moment and it's stopped me wanting to open up many pieces about her. The good thing is it's stopped people forgetting about her. Lynne was killed by the same person and just as violently, and is often looked at as a footnote. Nobody forced entry into Lynda Farrow's house either.
IMO the calls were a stand alone thing, the police thought many things in the previous articles including famously hounding one innocent customer at the club she worked who was cleared finally after death by his son submitting DNA. They thought it was the photographer who took the nude photos and the person who interviewed her for the Mayfair piece, she was apparently very unhappy with what they wrote. They thought it was the petson who photographed her with the knife for the crime magazine. They thought it was someone random person up North that was never named who plastered photos of her everywhere obsessively then skipped his bedside to not pay rent. They really did actively go after a lot of people, so unless they couldn't reach them, I can't see them not testing the whole band her partner was in.
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I really wonder about the flowers. Were they from a known person, or a stranger? Did the others receive gifts - flowers, chocolates, etc. prior to the attacks on them? Is it just pure chance, or is it something her killer did? It just sounds like something out of fiction. The attack seems blitz like, but the posing is something that took time. I think it's easy to draw a line to Sutcliffe, despite the lack of evidence, because he did both. Posing is unusual, much much rarer than tv and film would have us believe. Most posing that happens is fake - say, a partner trying to make a domestic killing look like a stranger-attack. True posing is rare. It's something that gratifies the killer somehow. It's a signature behaviour that the killer needs but is 'unnecessary' otherwise. It takes time that a killer who doesn't need it would use to clean the scene or make their escape. It's a compulsory part of the fantasy made real. But Sutcliffe never stalked his victims beforehand that I know of - no phone calls, no flowers. He just took the first target who presented themselves to him when he was hunting. Working girls, yes, but also teens and middle aged women walking home. Anyone female was a potential target. And their identity didn't matter to him.
I think whoever this person is, they have a body count behind them bigger than we know. The seventies was a paradise for serials. Pre-DNA, post-highway system. High mobility, anonymity. A lot of successful serials were mobile - truck drivers, transients, people who travelled for work. But even those who stayed put could be successful at it in that era. Drive to the next big town or city, kill, be home in time for tea.
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You obviously know a lot about these cases. I'm enjoying learning what you have to offer about them, and I hope that new technologies are going to bring these victims justice, or at least, answers.
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