GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #1

[Tortoise]

I'm with you LozDa. It is especially alarming that he was with her when it happened.

 

[Alyce]

Just adding some week end dates here for reference

March 12 and 13 - Helen and IS in Broadstairs. March 13 is when IS helps Helen off the beach.

March 19 and 20 - IS is in hospital and ends up in intensive care ( I think by the Tuesday 22nd )

March 26 and 27 - this is Easter week end - not known if IS is out of hospital by this time

April 2 and 3 - No info on this week end


April 9 and 10
Saturday April 9 -
From IS statement.
IS watched football, JamieS went to play bowls.

From Jamie's evidence
The weekend before April 11 there was nothing unusual at all. We spent the Saturday night watching TV. It was hard to remember what happened because it was so normal.
“Helen had made a cottage pie for us all. There was nothing untoward at all about that evening.

From OSs girlfriend's evidence
On the Saturday before Helen went missing, I went shopping with Oliver to Cambridge.
“After this Oliver dropped me off at mine to pick up my car and then I drove to his and stayed at his this evening. I remember Helen looking quite stressed that particular evening, she didn’t say hi, she kept her head down and just walked into the kitchen.
“I heard she was in her jeep and got very anxious, so I thought it could be to do with that.


Sunday April 10
From IS statement. Went for dog walk - not clear if this is IS or IS and Helen. Helen did some gardening.
From OS girlfriend evidence we also know that OS was at the house studying, although tried to give impression he was not during his evidence- OS overnight at g/f house.

 

[Tortoise]

I'm being lazy not looking back and checking Alyce, did Jamie talk about the weekend of April 2nd/3rd?

 

[Alyce]

From IS statement

“The Friday before Helen disappeared we found out that Brocket Hall in Royston couldn’t host wedding - third hotel we’d lost.

That really annoyed her. Frustration - she referred to it over the weekend.


I am a bit puzzled as to why they had * lost* three hotels. Was the wedding initially planned for earlier in the year and dates had to be changed ? Otherwise it seems extremely unfortunate to have three bookings all go wrong for them.


eta.......... Brocket is in Welwyn - I have just copied the wording from the court transcript

 

[Tortoise]

He said they all watched tv and Helen made a cottage pie for them. He said wtte that it was such a normal week end that it was hard to remember many details.

Oh for some reason I thought that was the weekend of 9th/10th. Thanks.

 

[Alyce]

Oh for some reason I thought that was the weekend of 9th/10th. Thanks.

You are correct. The curse of how things are written and how I read them !

I have just edited my earlier post.

The wording said, the week end before April 11 ........so I am thinking in my head April 9/10 is the weekend next to Monday April 11 .........and am reading Jamie's evidence as relating to the week end of April 2/3.......but it isnt...

so for April 2 - 3 we have no detailed info. But we do know that IS got the all clear on April 5

have just updated it again. Jamie makes out it is a normal week end but OS girlfriend talks about Helen being stressed and not speaking to her.

 

[michelle230]

I'd be very interested in knowing how a coroner decides on "Unexpected Epileptic Fit" and what information went towards this ruling. I know this is a separate case, but I genuinely feel like part of his arrogance and assumption at the fact that no one would pay much attention to Helen being missing, is because he's hoodwinked in the past and got away with it. Big time.​

I`m with you on that one. And IMO we will not be the only ones wondering...
Will there still be medical records going back to 2011?
Some very racy cars may go from 0-80mph in a matter of seconds. I don`t believe the same applies to human beings.


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[Satchie]

I agree, It's like it was done hastily. I still can't get my head round money being the only reason for this. He could have easily got married, waited a few more years and then divorced her and got half of everything, if not half, a good amount... I doubt with the POA and changing her will she'd be unlikely to have done a pre nup. I get the feeling he's thought he's had no choice but to do this... either that or he's just incredibly stupid...
For some reason though my instincts are telling me this wasn't something he had planned from the start. Obviously I could be wrong...

Snipped for focus.

One thing that hasn't been discussed is IS's career. He's been called a former software engineer, but I'd be interested to know more. In that sort of field, unless you're a manager, almost no one over 50 can find work, the young one's will compete successfully against you. Successful IT guys retire at 55.

I think maybe he gave up wanting to work, and perhaps went looking for a rich wife. But if he didn't love her and it was all an act, maybe he got tired of trying to keep up the charade. Maybe he also hated the idea of being dependent on Helen for the rest of his life, especially as she was becoming so successful, and if she left him, he wouldn't get enough to live on, and certainly not so well.

I'm thinking he didn't want to marry her, he wanted to leave, but he didn't want to walk away from her money

 

[MillyM]

I'd be very interested in knowing how a coroner decides on "Unexpected Epileptic Fit" and what information went towards this ruling. I know this is a separate case, but I genuinely feel like part of his arrogance and assumption at the fact that no one would pay much attention to Helen being missing, is because he's hoodwinked in the past and got away with it. Big time.​

I`m with you on that one. And IMO we will not be the only ones wondering...
Will there still be medical records going back to 2011?
Some very racy cars may go from 0-80mph in a matter of seconds. I don`t believe the same applies to human beings.


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Indeed. And whether she had been on -- or 'given' -- any sleeping tablets at time, ie zopiclone, one of whose contraindications in long term dependence is ... epileptic seizures

 

[BatFace]

I remain deeply suspicious about his late wife's demise.

 

[mrjitty]

It explains why they've shown the Tesco footage and used the witness statements then. To show he lied about his phone being missing. They needed the Tesco incident to show it was the same phone, and that's why he denies it was him in Tesco.

This could be right - although I assume the phone records show he is the owner of the phone also.

But I guess Tesco completes the picture.

 

[LozDa]

This could be right - although I assume the phone records show he is the owner of the phone also.

But I guess Tesco completes the picture.

If the phone had been presumed lost or stolen, i.e. Possibly in someone else's possession, I guess they can't prove that calls made on the phone and therefore in the phone records were made by him. I mean, circumstantially we know it's him that's made the calls, but I think they're covering their bases.

If we've got a call logged and a video to match the call records, it's irrefutable that the calls were made by him and therefore the phone was not lost as he said. There is the other possibility though; that his phone was half inched by some geezer called Paul with a biker jacket and face tattoo........

 

[Tortoise]

Indeed. And whether she had been on -- or 'given' -- any sleeping tablets at time, ie zopiclone, one of whose contraindications in long term dependence is ... epileptic seizures

Yes, I know she died in June 2010, and his prescription for sleeping pills was obtained in August that year, but he had also been prescribed the same drug in 2005, and could have had tablets left over that he'd not disposed of. I think when or if they perform toxicology tests during a post mortem, they have to have an idea of what specifically they are looking for. Happy to be corrected on this. I've no idea of her size but it might not even be long term dependence that would cause such a reaction but just that the dosage was high for her build. He could have booked an appointment in August in case it was ever alleged that he hadn't taken them, to show he had a need for the pills for himself.

 

[Tortoise]

This could be right - although I assume the phone records show he is the owner of the phone also.

But I guess Tesco completes the picture.

Yes, belt and braces approach.

 

[Tortoise]

Just an observation -

WMSky ‏@wmarxsky 1m1 minute ago

Jamie Stewart testifies that his father was also fond of Helen Bailey's dog, also found dead in septic tank, and had frequently walked it

Statement from Margaret Holson, a friend of Ms Bailey's“Helen idolised her dog Boris, but I got the impression Ian was not so keen and less of a pet person.

 

[faybradshaw]

Hello, again, Websleuths.
Has taken me almost two hours to catch up with all the informative and thorough posting from all of you, since the start of the trial.
To add my thoughts to everyone else's, I am also highly suspicious of the circumstances surrounding his first wife's death, although after this long, it might never be proven that IS could have been involved.
As well, the fact that the eldest son has not visited his father in prison speaks volumes...

 

[Tortoise]

Hello, again, Websleuths.
Has taken me almost two hours to catch up with all the informative and thorough posting from all of you, since the start of the trial.
To add my thoughts to everyone else's, I am also highly suspicious of the circumstances surrounding his first wife's death, although after this long, it might never be proven that IS could have been involved.
As well, the fact that the eldest son has not visited his father in prison speaks volumes...

Yes I was just looking back at the toxicologist's testimony -

[h=3]'Not possible to identify any quantity or any timescale if Zopiclone was administered'[/h][FONT=&quot]The next witness is Dr Mark Piper, who is now coming to the witness box.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Dr Piper is a toxicology manager. “My job is forensic toxicology related. We conduct all type of investigations from drink-drive cases with alcohol, through to more complex casework including postmortem examinations”, he tells jurors.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Zopiclone is a sedative-type drug used for insomnia, it’s my role to identify the presence of that drug in sample types.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Unfortunately it is one of those drugs that is not very stable, it does not stay in that state for a specific period of time. It breaks down quite quickly and the levels present in the biological sample may be reduced significantly by the time of analysis.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“The examination samples were taken on July 18, 2016. We would expect a decrease in the concentration of the drug over a period of time.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There is the body samples found in Helen’s chest cavity fluid, liver, deep thigh muscle, and one sample from each of these locations were analysed, the court is told. From these samples, it is not possible to identify any quantity or any timescale if Zopiclone was administered.
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-day-12435557

But a hair sample might be a different matter of course.[/FONT]

 

[Tortoise]

Helen Bailey: Mother due in court today http://bbc.in/2iPeDa1

https://twitter.com/BBC3CR

 

[Tortoise]

The mother of Royston author Helen Bailey is due to give evidence today at the trial of the man accused of murdering her daughter.
Helen Bailey's partner Ian Stewart denies killing her at their home last year.
Her mother Eileen will give evidence at St Albans Crown Court this morning and I will bring you the latest from court.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-e...today&&ns_fee=0#post_587f30dee4b08e753d555c4e

 

[Tortoise]

Bless her. Wishing her strength to get through this ordeal.