GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #1

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[FONT=&quot]Her mother told police: “I know that she confided in me about being worried about her state of mind. She would say, ‘Mum, I don’t even recognise my own hands’ when she was sat at the computer … The Wednesday before the Monday when she disappeared she called me at lunchtime and said to me, ‘I can’t believe I have just slept for five hours. I had two poached eggs and the next thing I woke up.’”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...y-childrens-author-killed-partner-court-hears
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Back to basics

Unless Helen really was wanting to break up with him, what are posters thinking re. motive?

(If she wasn't going to split up with him, was considering marriage and seemingly happy to support him and give a home to his boys - why would he need/be motivated to kill her?)

Money. At some point it seems he decided he wanted Helen's money, but not her. This thought alone must be so painful for her friends and family. A crime of passion is hard to accept but all of us can have a sense of how those happen. In this case though, it seems their accomplished, generous and loving relative/friend was murdered and her body treated with such contempt, just for for her money.

When I first began discussing this case here I wondered aloud about whether this 'engagement' we had read about was even real.

Now it is clear that some people close to Helen knew about the plans to marry while others did not. A named friend has stated Helen discussed venues for the planned wedding on the very morning she disappeared.

Ms Bailey's phone records showed she was discussing wedding venues with her friend Tracey Stratton at the time Stewart claimed she had been driving her Jeep in Royston shortly before her murder, the court heard.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ank-1-2million-home-shared.html#ixzz4VO4yzR5t
 
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Re Boris COD, how much resources would LE invest in determining this? They might have decided not to pursue it but to focus on Helen.
 
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Maybe he wanted her money but didn`t want to marry Helen?
 
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As Helens friend (who joined us today) said 'the book tour took its toll' - I imagine that it would be difficult to suddenly have everyone talking to your partner about her late husband was the love of her life and having everyone talking about and quoting from Helens book ... and that may have set wheels in motion. Jealously followed by bitterness - then his health worries happen ... could he gave wanted Helens money for not only financial freedom for himself but, security for his boys should anything happen to him ...

I'm going through a 'health scare' myself at the moment (desperately hoping it IS 'just' a scare) and joked to one of my daughters that "if it's the very worst outcome, I'll shall have to rob a bank or something so I shall at least know you'll all be okay for money" ... it was dark humour on my part but made me think when we were told that Stewart did in fact have something wrong with him.

I'd be invested to know what kind of Dad he was ...
 
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Could have been the health scare. Made him realise that he might not have long to go and he wanted to enjoy what little time was left and have plenty of money at his disposal.

I agree re Helen, from what little I have read of her, I think she was smart enough to have picked up on vibes from him.
But - if he only thought of the idea recently ( ie back to the health scare time ) then by the time her inner senses should have been picking up on this, she was already being drugged and feeling sleepy and her normal warning instincts would be fogged.

Yes, that's my concern, how could she, in particular, have gotten so involved, for so long and apparently happily, with a true psychopath.

The idea just occurred to me, maybe he was just extremely insecure that she would leave him at some point? She was becoming famous, going to all sorts of events, socializing without him. If she met someone else he would lose her and the lifestyle and be humiliated. She was perhaps responding to his insecurity by making wedding plans, but he just decided to premptively get rid of his anxiety by making sure she never left.
 
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My confusion is about the motive. Plenty of women and some men find and marry a wealthy person to secure their future. They may not love them, but if the rich spouse is as agreeable, fun and caring as Helen, why not just get married, instead of taking the enormous risk of murder?

RSBM

This is what I was wondering about too. I think it may well be down to that gender role reversal too. Whilst women, earning less traditionally in the past, we may be more used to that scenario you describe Satchie, but for this bloke he wasn't satisfied.

Agree with all of u, that this "intention to marry/engagement" could be exaggerated.
But equally my gut instinct ( that she was having 2nd thoughts about future w him) could be wrong too.

So on the supposed basis that the Helen was happy with him:
As another poster said, it's a big risk to take

But as posters have said we've also got poss reasons such as:

- he is psychopathic anyway
- and greedy, he wasn't satisfied with the £ support level to date (That swift£600-£4k action is telling)
- male pride ( agree , in reality he couldn't cope with her having the financial power)
- he wanted her £ , not her. ( maybe he was never in love with her at all) or he fell out of love
- he can't have just flipped if Pros claim is true "sleeping drug in increasing amounts in weeks" ( this conflicts with him having flipped on that day.)
- his own health scare someone influences him to this action?
ETA Satchie's & mrzada's last one - creeping jealousy/insecurity etc. He's becoming Mr Bailey, not her ever Mrs Stewart

who knows - what if she was the one who wanted to marry and he didn't? curveball- unlikely. ( maybe not a curveball, just seen that Lore1 has said same)
 
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ps. Psychopaths are often charismatic liars aren't they?
 
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As Helens friend (who joined us today) said 'the book tour took its toll' - I imagine that it would be difficult to suddenly have everyone talking to your partner about her late husband was the love of her life and having everyone talking about and quoting from Helens book ... and that may have set wheels in motion. Jealously followed by bitterness - then his health worries happen ... could he gave wanted Helens money for not only financial freedom for himself but, security for his boys should anything happen to him ...

I'm going through a 'health scare' myself at the moment (desperately hoping it IS 'just' a scare) and joked to one of my daughters that "if it's the very worst outcome, I'll shall have to rob a bank or something so I shall at least know you'll all be okay for money" ... it was dark humour on my part but made me think when we were told that Stewart did in fact have something wrong with him.

I'd be invested to know what kind of Dad he was ...

I'm sorry to hear about your health scare, I hope it is just a false alarm.

You're right, her continued apparent preoccupation with her beloved John, because of her book, might have turned him against her and his jealousy turned to hatred.
 
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[FONT=&amp]Her mother told police: “I know that she confided in me about being worried about her state of mind. She would say, ‘Mum, I don’t even recognise my own hands’ when she was sat at the computer … The Wednesday before the Monday when she disappeared she called me at lunchtime and said to me, ‘I can’t believe I have just slept for five hours. I had two poached eggs and the next thing I woke up.’”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...y-childrens-author-killed-partner-court-hears
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Just thinking about this. She presumably had eggs for breakfast and then fell asleep, calling her mum at lunchtime. So what time would she have ingested the medication for that to happen? How quickly does it work on the system? Was he practicing, during the daytime, to see how long it would take to take effect, so that he could do this while his sons were out during the day?
 
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Regarding how Helen was fed the drugs I wonder if she liked coffee? A decent strong cup of coffee can disguise a lot of bitterness.

Off topic but I do hope you are OK mrazda, I always enjoy your posts.

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Does anyone know - Are the sons likely to be called as witnesses for either side? Just thinking about the possibility of them witnessing Helen being disorientated , sleepy, often in bed etc.
 
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Regarding how Helen was fed the drugs I wonder if she liked coffee? A decent strong cup of coffee can disguise a lot of bitterness.

Off topic but I do hope you are OK mrazda, I always enjoy your posts.

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Could it be hidden in food? Or as someone else said - in the melting capsule type things, disguised as her usual vitamin etc

Aaaw thanks Ironside, that's really nice of you to say!
Duty gp put the fear of Ovarian cancer in me on 23rd of Dec (yes, I do have ovaries lol, my user name begins with Mr but it's a play on the words
Mazda and (Jason) Mraz not my title 😁
 
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ps. Psychopaths are often charismatic liars aren't they?

Yes they can fool acquaintances, and new partners, and they can control naive or dependent spouses..but they can't have a genuinely intimate, loving relationship and in my experience a mature woman like Helen would not have been fooled, and would have found the relationship very unsatisfying. But perhaps she was so vulnerable in her grief, she didn't realize their connection was fabricated.
 
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As Helens friend (who joined us today) said 'the book tour took its toll' - I imagine that it would be difficult to suddenly have everyone talking to your partner about her late husband was the love of her life and having everyone talking about and quoting from Helens book ... and that may have set wheels in motion. Jealously followed by bitterness - then his health worries happen ... could he gave wanted Helens money for not only financial freedom for himself but, security for his boys should anything happen to him ...

I'm going through a 'health scare' myself at the moment (desperately hoping it IS 'just' a scare) and joked to one of my daughters that "if it's the very worst outcome, I'll shall have to rob a bank or something so I shall at least know you'll all be okay for money" ... it was dark humour on my part but made me think when we were told that Stewart did in fact have something wrong with him.

I'd be invested to know what kind of Dad he was ...

Very good point Mrazda ........and I strongly hope your health scare comes to nothing x
 
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Just thinking about this. She presumably had eggs for breakfast and then fell asleep, calling her mum at lunchtime. So what time would she have ingested the medication for that to happen? How quickly does it work on the system? Was he practicing, during the daytime, to see how long it would take to take effect, so that he could do this while his sons were out during the day?

I have just read it can take as little as 15 minutes. Just a comment on line by a user who was taking 7.5mg dose. I think it varies and is known to be very quick if taken with alcohol but I cannot imagine Helen drinking at breakfast. In her case I guess it was a build up effect and she may well have been taking several times a day if she thought it was something else.
 
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Just thinking about this. She presumably had eggs for breakfast and then fell asleep, calling her mum at lunchtime. So what time would she have ingested the medication for that to happen? How quickly does it work on the system? Was he practicing, during the daytime, to see how long it would take to take effect, so that he could do this while his sons were out during the day?

Taken on an empty stomach - with just poached eggs ( assuming not much else for the breakfast ) and assuming this was a high dosage ( as he had been upping the dose over weeks, allegedly ) then I think it could work fairly quickly. And yes, that could have been a dry run to allow him to check if the drug would work during daytime.
 
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Back to basics

Unless Helen really was wanting to break up with him, what are posters thinking re. motive?

(If she wasn't going to split up with him, was considering marriage and seemingly happy to support him and give a home to his boys - why would he need/be motivated to kill her?)

This is what has been bothering me reading all this. It sounds like he was set for life. Bagged himself a lovely lady who was obviously very wealthy and willing to financially support him and his kids. Why risk all that to do this, AND so badly, to possibly end up in jail for the rest of his life. It doesn't make sense. I think she was going to leave him and he knew it.
 
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I thought the earlier reporting said that IS twice checked the POA.

This article says it was the Will.

Interesting. Presumably he went to the Solicitors or the Bank, wherever the Will was lodged.

But, he would surely have had his own copy of the Will. Which says, to me, that he was worried in case Helen had, unbeknown to him, changed her Will.

Mr Stewart, who sat in the dock wearing a blue jumper and jeans, twice asked to see the will during the time she was considered ‘missing’.


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