GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #1

[mrazda71]

I'm sure the police have checked this.

To be fair, we'd like to have thought they'd have found the cesspool too :/

 

[MillyM]

7-10 days is within two weeks.

Don't think they do Fridays?

 

[MillyM]

Case #
T20167121

 

[Tortoise]

Don't think they do Fridays?

What makes you think that?

 

[Satchie]

February 2016:
When it comes to grief, I have both good news and bad news for you...

This isn't from her blog, it was published in the Huffington Post, perhaps it'an excerpt from her book, ie written long before Feb of this year?

I can't link to the article, I think because I'm not in the UK it won't let me on.

 

[mbmc]

I have been following Helens case from the start, and would like to say thanks to all of the posters here for the updates and insights.

Although I suspected the worst....hope springs eternal....So I was deeply deeply saddened with the outcome.


RIP Helen and Boris.


Whilst I understand that terrible things can happen in a moment, I do believe that the subsequent behaviour speaks volumes, the calculated killing of Boris, the absolute hideous manner of concealing their bodies is indefensible. If IS's shaking of his head in court today indicates that he will make a lesser than murder plea, I cannot imagine what his defence would be. Was he shaking his head in shame?


Having seen how short the trial is expected to be maybe it is known he will plead guilty? I think that the PM will find it very hard to establish COD given the time and conditions of poor Helen's and Boris's bodies.


ETA apologise for font, I cut and paste from my notepad.

 

[Tortoise]

This isn't from her blog, it was published in the Huffington Post, perhaps it'an excerpt from her book, ie written long before Feb of this year?

I can't link to the article, I think because I'm not in the UK it won't let me on.

Article in Huffington Post 1st Feb - yes could be an extract from her book which I think was published Oct 2015, perhaps Alyce can confirm
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/helen-bailey/making-modern-love_b_9124746.html

 

[BatFace]

It did sound like the marriage plans were off the table since that piece had been written.

 

[mrazda71]

This isn't from her blog, it was published in the Huffington Post, perhaps it'an excerpt from her book, ie written long before Feb of this year?

I can't link to the article, I think because I'm not in the UK it won't let me on.

She says they've been together 4 years though, and 2 years since buying the house in Royston so it can't have been written too long ago?

 

[Satchie]

She says they've been together 4 years though, and 2 years since buying the house in Royston so it can't have been written too long ago?

Perhaps she was insisting they sell and move to London?

 

[Alyce]

Article in Huffington Post 1st Feb - yes could be an extract from her book which I think was published Oct 2015, perhaps Alyce can confirm
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/helen-bailey/making-modern-love_b_9124746.html

It's a compilation from various parts of the book.

The opening chapter of the book is titled
A Promise
and that is where the line comes from about however bleak your life is, however much despair you are in, you won't always feel this way, I promise you.

The other sections, about JS drowning and the thoughts in M&S and then meeting IS, all come further along in the book, more or less at the relevant times in the story.
Although Helen does also say, in the book, that although she tried to keep it in some sort of timeline, there are places where she does not follow a straight course.

To quote Helen, she said Dont expect any consistency in what follows. Grief does not follow a straight course and nor does my writing.

So in summary, everything in that article comes from the book ( which in turn was the blogs , plus more writing from Helen, to link the various blogs into a flowing book ) and would have been written over the years since 2011 and nothing after October 2015 when the book was published.


just adding a note, as seen Mrazda's comment about the 4 years.
By October 2015 Helen had been with is for 4 years ( they met in Sept 2011 ) and they had been living in Royston since August 2013.

 

[Tortoise]

Thank you for taking the trouble to clarify that Alyce

 

[mrazda71]

It's a compilation from various parts of the book.

The opening chapter of the book is titled
A Promise
and that is where the line comes from about however bleak your life is, however much despair you are in, you won't always feel this way, I promise you.

The other sections, about JS drowning and the thoughts in M&S and then meeting IS, all come further along in the book, more or less at the relevant times in the story.
Although Helen does also say, in the book, that although she tried to keep it in some sort of timeline, there are places where she does not follow a straight course.

To quote Helen, she said Dont expect any consistency in what follows. Grief does not follow a straight course and nor does my writing.

So in summary, everything in that article comes from the book ( which in turn was the blogs , plus more writing from Helen, to link the various blogs into a flowing book ) and would have been written over the years since 2011 and nothing after October 2015 when the book was published.


just adding a note, as seen Mrazda's comment about the 4 years.
By October 2015 Helen had been with is for 4 years ( they met in Sept 2011 ) and they had been living in Royston since August 2013.

Thanks so at least the part about planning to marry would've been written at some point during the 8 months? Before she disappeared? If Ian IS guilty then what on earth happened? *makes no sense*

 

[faybradshaw]

Feeling kind of flat after anticipating that more facts would have come forth from Stewart's court appearance today, don't know what, actually, but more than him just shaking his head. It's going to be a long three months until the start of the trial for Helen's family, especially her elderly mother, having to wait for answers they must be desperate for and are just hoping are going to come out then...

 

[MillyM]

This isn't from her blog, it was published in the Huffington Post, perhaps it'an excerpt from her book, ie written long before Feb of this year?

I can't link to the article, I think because I'm not in the UK it won't let me on.

"This February The Huffington Post UK is running Making Modern Love, a fortnight-long focus on what love means to Britons in the 21st Century. Built on the three themes of finding love, building love and losing love, HuffPost will feature human stories that explore exactly what it is to be in love in modern times"

The quoted piece was one.

 

[Tortoise]

Unless Helen had confided in someone, then it will always remain a mystery. When I read that extract that said she didn't want to tell anyone she was in a relationship with Ian because if it was a mistake she wanted to make that mistake in private, I thought oh no.

Yet I do get the feeling she had confided in a close friend and that person has kept a respectful silence, although has probably spoken in confidence to the police.

My best guess is Helen realised this life with Ian wasn't for her, she waited until his health issues were resolved before saying anything. There was a sense from all the material I've read written by her, that all was not well and changes were afoot.

As for the day of this atrocity I think there was either a row, and Helen did say she was off to Broadstairs for a breather, and that is why she was walking Boris before the long journey, or Helen had gently broached the subject of their future that weekend and IS made plans from that point to carry out his wicked deed. I think unfortunately, given the speed with which he dispatched Helen and Boris, it was malice aforethought. Whether it was his aim all along I have no idea yet, I will wait to see if there is any re-opening of the investigation as regards his late wife.

 

[Alyce]

Thanks so at least the part about planning to marry would've been written at some point during the 8 months? Before she disappeared? If Ian IS guilty then what on earth happened? *makes no sense*

I believe she thought it over and realised it was not the life she wanted. I suspect is didn't want to move to London and Helen was tired of Royston and perhaps felt she'd given it her best shot for the sake of his adult sons.

 

[Alyce]

I agree re the malice aforethought Tortoise. I think the conversation had already taken place over that weekend and he was waiting for Helen when she came home.
Without going into too much speculation, Helen was a fit and healthy person, he was anything but.
Therefore I suspect the element of surprise was required

 

[mrazda71]

I agree re the malice aforethought Tortoise. I think the conversation had already taken place over that weekend and he was waiting for Helen when she came home.
Without going into too much speculation, Helen was a fit and healthy person, he was anything but.
Therefore I suspect the element of surprise was required

We don't really 'know' that he wasn't fit and healthy do we? We know that they/he had 'a scare' but that doesn't necessarily mean that he wasn't fit and strong otherwise, and he's a relatively big chap compared to Helen so I don't think it really would've been a 'surprise' pre-planned attack ...

 

[pollypi]

Shaking his head....does that mean he is still denying it or in denial? I would feel happier if there was some reporting of who else was resident in that house over the weekend of April 9/10 and that Monday, 11th. So far we have been given to think just the deceased and IS were there. Where were the sons, that were reported to have lived there, on those three days? I would feel easier knowing they had good, verifiable alibis.

Maybe shaking his head for being so 'careless ' re the disposal site I really hate saying that but I imagine he really thought he would have gotten away with it.