GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #1

[MillyM]

[h=3]'Stewart had previously been supplied Zopiclone'[/h]On August 17, 2010, Stewart had previously been supplied zopiclone, at a dosage of 7.5mg. He also had the same dosage in June 2005. “In terms of dosage, body weight is taken into account and as a larger person, it seemed to me that the higher 7.5mg would be likely to be more effective than the smaller dose. “7.5mg is a normal dose for an adult.The 3.75mg dose we would use for a really frail or elderly patient.”

This struck me first off. 2010 the year his wife died. Did she die before or after this prescribing? Even if after, did he learn something of its effects then for use in 2016?

 

[Cherwell]

If they don't run with that defence he's going to have to explain why he lied. He's in deep doo-doo.

If only that could happen for real, it would be fitting.

 

[Alyce]

This struck me first off. 2010 the year his wife died. Did she die before or after this prescribing? Even if after, did he learn something of its effects then for use in 2016?

June 25, 2010 so that was before he was prescribed in that year, although it was not his first time of using as he had also had them in 2005 - so yes, he was no doubt aware of how they worked ( although it is different for everyone )

 

[Alyce]

If only that could happen for real, it would be fitting.

Totally. That is one of the many things that disgusts me about this person. To know that Helen was lying in that pit and to know what was going into the pit each day...

 

[Cherwell]

I too am not comfortable with the continuing speculation about the first wife's death. There is no reason to think that her cause of death was anything other than that given at the time. He is not on trial for that.

 

[JerricaBenton]

It's natural speculation though, given the evidence we have seen.

Thanks to everyone keeping teh thread updated, much appreciated, I am reading along while doing my history research.

 

[JerricaBenton]

Off topic, but is there a thread on Websleuths for the murder of little Katie Rough?

 

[Cherwell]

It's natural speculation though, given the evidence we have seen.

Not really. His situation as a widower is what brought him into contact with Helen and other bereaved people.

 

[Alyce]

Off topic, but is there a thread on Websleuths for the murder of little Katie Rough?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ad-15-year-old-girl-arrested-York-10-Jan-2017

 

[Nash123]

I know they're hardened to it, but hats off to all those professionals involved in what must have been a particularly odious extraction and processing of her body, up until and including the PM.

 

[LozDa]

Not really. His situation as a widower is what brought him into contact with Helen and other bereaved people.

Speculation is just that... No one here is saying he did or didn't do anything with regards to the wife. However, we have someone who it appears (I'm aware he's legally innocent at this time) planned to kill his partner over an extended period of months, then stashed her body, and her dog's body in his cesspit while he sent messages to her phone, went on awareness walks with her friends and family and made substantial withdrawals from her account and went on holiday whilst she was still lying in a cesspit.

What we are doing here is speculating on the notion that he most probably did not get to the age of 56 and plot out his partner's demise without having had even a mild thought about doing something such as this previously.

With a wife who has died suddenly previously and no clear reason given (we've had a couple of different CODs given in MSM), I think it's natural to wonder, baseless or not, about what happened in that scenario without it being seen as being put on trial for a second murder. That's not what's going on; we're just looking at it with the vague idea that this is a dangerous man. Simple as that.

 

[lore1]

an awful situation

 

[lore1]

14:16
[h=3]Case resuming[/h]The case is now resuming. Jurors are told that the case tomorrow will not begin until 11.30am.

 

[lore1]

14:23
[h=3]No specific date of death for Helen[/h]Dr Piper is continuing to give evidence. He admits that he couldn’t give a specific date of death for Helen Bailey. He said he can’t exclude that Helen ingested the drug [herself] three to four months before she died, he added.

 

[lore1]

14:28
[h=3]Sample taken from dog[/h]A sample was taken from the dog of Helen Bailey, and Dr Piper was asked to analyse the chest cavity fluid of the dog, the court has been told. There were no findings of zopiclone found in relation to this sample from the dog.

 

[lore1]

14:30
[h=3]'Taking drug in morning means you would be fighting to stay awake'[/h]Dr Piper said side effects of the drug (zopiclone) include short term amnesia - someone who might worry about their state of mind.
He said: “If taking the zopiclone drug in the morning, it would have the same effect as in the evening. If taken in the morning you would effectively be fighting the side effects [of the drug] to stay awake.”

 

[lore1]

14:31
[h=3]End of Dr Piper’s evidence[/h]That’s the end of Dr Piper’s evidence

 

[lore1]

No updates at the moment maybe they`ve all had to bigger lunch

 

[lore1]

14:40
[h=3]Post mortem examination of dog[/h]A statement from Dr Jonathan Williams, the vet who conducted a postmortem of Helen’s dog Boris, is now being read to jurors. In the statement, Dr Williams said Boris was a male dachshund dog aged between 7 and 8 years old and was fitted with a microchip.

 

[lore1]

14:43
[h=3]'Dog was well cared for'[/h]On July 19, Dr Williams was asked to establish cause of death, timing of death, and whether the animal was alive or dead when it went into the [septic] tank.
He said: “The postmortem was performed on the dog. The animal was in good nutritional condition (had large fatty deposits). It was well cared for, it’s nails were trimmed appropriately.