GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #1

[cottonweaver]

Thanks for the tweets lore1.

I don't agree that this is difficult to prove. How many people knew about the existence of the tank for starters. Then she has his drugs in her body for months and doesn't know it because she wouldn't be searching for reasons for her tiredness if she did. Then he was at home the day it happened. Then there is a missing note from Helen saying she's leaving when she hadn't left at all, and who would care about killing Boris except a family member who knows she wouldn't go away without him. Then he increases the money she transfers to him same day. Then he stands to benefit financially from her death. Then there is the disposal of their bedding at the tip...I could go on. You don't need a cause of death to prove murder. IMO.

.....and you don't even need a body.


still catching up on page 93

so this'll be "old " too perhaps

 

[cottonweaver]

Evenin Cotton...

I was rambling on earlier about the tablets, re how smart it would be if IS knew that Helen was taking them and he got his own supply in order to overdose her...however, I was forgetting, ( brain overload today ) that Helen was googling to try and find out why she kept falling asleep... So no way could IS pretend she was taking them herself, otherwise she would know why she was falling asleep.....and would have stopped the dosage.

Prescription for IS was two months after wife's death in 2010
..he had also taken them back in 2005

I doubt he planned on leaving the house in Royston. He had succeeded probably beyond all his expectations of ending up in a much larger and more luxurious property than he could have acquired on his own.

BIB Good stuff - boxed him off there.
As I was writing my post I hadn't yet caught up with the hair sample evidence either. That also crossed off another of my wonderings.
I'll get to the end of this catch-up by midnight!

 

[snoopydog]

Anyone have the YouTube video link of IS making clocks? Be interesting to see that...

 

[Tortoise]

Even the location of Helen's phone in Broadstairs on the day he visited incriminates him. What a fool. Why would he even think of switching her phone on at that point, if he knew he could be traced there at the same time? I can't work out some of his logic, but good police work, spotting that router that was there first time.

 

[Alyce]

I wonder why IS gave the names of two people, who he says murdered Helen, and not one. I presume there's a method to his madness. A story he has had time to think up.

I also wonder why he didn't clear Helen's google search history. Or maybe he did and they recovered it.

Perhaps he was thinking that as Helen was a fit and healthy person ( unlike him ) then if he had only mentioned one attacker, there would have been plenty of defensive marks etc ( in the event she was ever found ). He could not acknowledge that in Helen's drugged state, anyone would have been able to easily murder her, because of course he would not want to admit to any knowledge of Helen being drugged.

Or am I giving him too much credit for thinking this through. It took him until December to come up with Joe and Nick, so I probably am.

Re Helen's google history - as my favourite tecchie always says - nothing is ever lost in cyber space. I doubt IS, the computer expert ( where's the irony emoji when you need it ) is anywhere near the level of being able to clear stuff effectively unless he destroyed the hard drive....and that in itself would look suspect.

 

[Alyce]

Even the location of Helen's phone in Broadstairs on the day he visited incriminates him. What a fool. Why would he even think of switching her phone on at that point, if he knew he could be traced there at the same time? I can't work out some of his logic, but good police work, spotting that router that was there first time.

I thought, initially, that he turned Helen's phone on - to check that the text he had sent had been received ok - and I thought what an idiot.

But, from reading the reporting ( which has been sometimes muddled - the cleaner information for a start, which will hopefully be clarified once the cleaner or cleaners give evidence ) it seems that Helen's phone connected to the wifi at the cottage. So I don't believe he necessarily turned it on, just that her smart phone recognised a known location for her ( she would have had her phone, ipad etc all linked to the router at Broadstairs ) and pinged.
Again, as a computer expert, he should have known this might happen.



ETA
Just adding this line from one of the reports yesterday. I think it says it all. IS had no idea that the police would do such a thorough check for Helen. He clearly only reported her missing due to pressure from friends and family and, as we know, she was originally classed as low risk ( thanks to the note that IS talked about ). So he no doubt thought they would just keep her on a missing persons list and that would be that.
Thank goodness for great friends and family.

In fact, I only realised, yesterday, that IS went to Broadstairs on the Saturday ( April 16 ) which was a day after he reported Helen as missing. So I think my initial thought was correct. He had no intention of going there, but realised he would have to when friends and family got involved. We know that John ( Helen's brother ) went down there, so no doubt IS thought he had better go as well.


When checks were made on electronic devices at the house, Mr Stewart’s behaviour was said to be ‘unusual and strange’ as though he didn’t expect such a full search to be conducted.

http://www.royston-crow.co.uk/news/...4845087?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

 

[Alyce]

Trial begins 11.30 today

John Bailey ( Helen's brother ) is due to give evidence.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-e...dence&&ns_fee=0#post_58772e10e4b0b4f965d3bcd0

 

[Ironside]

This should be interesting. I get the impression her brother was on to IS instantly.

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[Tortoise]

I thought, initially, that he turned Helen's phone on - to check that the text he had sent had been received ok - and I thought what an idiot.

But, from reading the reporting ( which has been sometimes muddled - the cleaner information for a start, which will hopefully be clarified once the cleaner or cleaners give evidence ) it seems that Helen's phone connected to the wifi at the cottage. So I don't believe he necessarily turned it on, just that her smart phone recognised a known location for her ( she would have had her phone, ipad etc all linked to the router at Broadstairs ) and pinged.
Again, as a computer expert, he should have known this might happen.



ETA
Just adding this line from one of the reports yesterday. I think it says it all. IS had no idea that the police would do such a thorough check for Helen. He clearly only reported her missing due to pressure from friends and family and, as we know, she was originally classed as low risk ( thanks to the note that IS talked about ). So he no doubt thought they would just keep her on a missing persons list and that would be that.
Thank goodness for great friends and family.

In fact, I only realised, yesterday, that IS went to Broadstairs on the Saturday ( April 16 ) which was a day after he reported Helen as missing. So I think my initial thought was correct. He had no intention of going there, but realised he would have to when friends and family got involved. We know that John ( Helen's brother ) went down there, so no doubt IS thought he had better go as well.


When checks were made on electronic devices at the house, Mr Stewart’s behaviour was said to be ‘unusual and strange’ as though he didn’t expect such a full search to be conducted.

http://www.royston-crow.co.uk/news/...4845087?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

Yes, while it was convenient for him to say Helen said she didn't want to be contacted, he overlooked the fact that it was completely out of character for Helen to cut off all contact with friends and family. Particularly her family, as I read her father had been ill.

 

[Tortoise]

I'm not going to be available for quite a few days to copy over trial updates, but I'll be dipping in and out and will gladly chip in when I can.

 

[Tortoise]

Link here for today from Cambridge News

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-day-12441178

 

[Tortoise]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Court to sit for third day[/h]We are live again today at St Albans Crown Court. The case is expected to get underway in five minutes’ time. Four witnesses are expected to take to the stand today to give evidence.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-day-12441178

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[Alyce]

Am in meetings til about 2pm ........will catch up with everyone later

 

[Alyce]

I'm not going to be available for quite a few days to copy over trial updates, but I'll be dipping in and out and will gladly chip in when I can.

I am back from about 2pm ( should be gone already ! ) and will do the updates then if no one else has caught us up.... am also around next week, hopefully, so should be able to copy the updates

 

[MillyM]

12:26
First witness today is Helen Bailey's brother

The first witness this morning is John Bailey, the brother of Ms Bailey. Mr Bailey is being asked about his first experience of the Royston address, where Stewart and Ms Bailey lived.

He said he visited the address in 2013 shortly after the house was first purchased. This is the only occasion he has been to visit the house, he tells jurors.

12:25
Court to finish early today due to threat of snow

Jurors have now come into the courtroom. They are being told that it is likely to snow in St Albans by late afternoon, so the court is not expecting jurors to try and get home in the snow and will finish for the day at 3.45pm.

12:10
Stewart is in the dock

We’re back in court now. All seats in the courtroom are filled by press and members of the public. Stewart is sat in the dock, wearing a pale blue shirt.

 

[MillyM]

12:30
He was shown the old well in the garage

Mr Bailey said: “We got there late morning, Helen picked us up. She showed us around the house, we went into the garden, were shown some outbuildings, we went to the garage, we went upstairs and there was a large old office.

“When we’d been through all of that we had lunch on the patio.

“When I visited I saw the well in the garage, it was closed. The previous owner of the house owned a vintage car and after lunch he came to collect that car. “When he took the car away, which had been parked in the garage, I took a wander into the garage to have a look around and be a bit nosey.

“I think it was Helen, but it could have been one or both of them, mentioned an old well in the garage. I asked where and was directed to half way along the right hand side of the wall as you face the garage from the front.

“I remember looking down on the well, I can’t say I remember the construction of it clearly. It was covered.”

 

[MillyM]

12:33
Helen joked the well 'would be a good place to hide a body'

“I asked had they (Stewart and Helen) looked in the well, and was told no, it wasn’t that kind of a well. I thought of a wishing well type well, I didn’t know what its function was.

“There was some banter almost certainly instigated by Helen that it would be a good place to hide a body. They were standing just outside the garage. That was on August 10, 2013.”

 

[Nellie Nelson]

Thanks for the updates Milly.

Please can you add the link under each future update if you continue to post them?

 

[MillyM]

12:35
Brother recalled the conversation when police found sister's body

That was the only day before the death of Helen, that Mr Bailey visited the Royston house. After Helen’s disappearance, he became aware of the fact that the well was of significance as a result of a conversation with a police officer, the court was told.

He tells jurors: “The well never featured in my mind during the time of Helen’s disappearance, but when DC Neil Sutton visited on July 15, 2016, he told me it was believed they had discovered a body, and that it was in an old well in the garage.

“It was then that the recollection of our discussions on 2013 came back to me.”

 

[MillyM]

Soz.
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-day-12441178