GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #1

[MillyM]

I've just listened to the 999 call and IS aka Big Bean just sounds English to me. Most home counties people sound all the same to me. Can someone explain his accent, is it dreadfully "common?

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It's not so much 'common' as well, working-class, I suppose you might say. Some of his wording is rather ungrammatical.

 

[Interested Bystander]

It's not so much 'common' as well, working-class, I suppose you might say. Some of his wording is rather ungrammatical.

He sounds typically Essex/North London region to me. I should say I am guessing. I understand the accent spoken in Towie is considered Essex but that is extreme. The attached video link is quite amusing.

https://youtu.be/8jCTcCaPL34

 

[MillyM]

Quote Originally Posted by mrazda71
I've wondered if he ever did plan to actually murder Helen. I've wondered if his plan was just to slip her the sleeping pills for as long as it took to get Helen to give him control of her finances ... the day that Helen died seems to have been so chaotic that I find it hard to believe that that part was planned ...

Definitely agree on the latter. Something happened that Monday morning that seemed to bring everything to a head.

 

[Interested Bystander]

Has anyone else seen IS's weird invention videos on You Tube? Here's one...

https://youtu.be/OAj9f3ZKXoE

The clock was a little strange methinks. However I might think that about a lot of hobbies that don't interest me.

What I did find of interest were a lot of his other videos eg Helen's brother reading an appeal to her, video of the garden being dug up after she had disappeared, etc.

 

[pinklilies]

The clock was a little strange methinks. However I might think that about a lot of hobbies that don't interest me.

What I did find of interest were a lot of his other videos eg Helen's brother reading an appeal to her, video of the garden being dug up after she had disappeared, etc.

Where would I find the others Bystander please? TIA


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[scapa]

Yes, I saw that. It didn't look like the work of a professional.

As someone who works with computers everyday, albeit as a researcher, and with computer science colleagues and professionals, I'd only note that it would be very unusual for any computer tech to throw up a website as poor as that one. Terrible advert for one's competence/skills and offensively bad from a UI/engineering perspective. It would be like a pro chef serving, in public, a badly-presented, poor quality meal.

Very unlikely IMO he was any kind of a computer professional, from systems to design to IT. Maybe he sold them at PC World.

 

[mrazda71]

I knew Helen...


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Personally? Long term, real life? Warts and all type 'knew her'?

 

[Florrie]

Quote Originally Posted by mrazda71
I've wondered if he ever did plan to actually murder Helen. I've wondered if his plan was just to slip her the sleeping pills for as long as it took to get Helen to give him control of her finances ... the day that Helen died seems to have been so chaotic that I find it hard to believe that that part was planned ...

Definitely agree on the latter. Something happened that Monday morning that seemed to bring everything to a head.

I wonder that too. The best scenario I can think is that HB died unexpectedly as a result of the sleeping tablets and that he panicked. After which Boris then also had to die. Then again he could just as easily reported her as a sudden death and "she's been having trouble sleeping at night and so occasionally took one of my sleeping tablets". Result is that nobody is likely to have been able to disprove that with any certainty.

The fact he didn't do this but concealed her body and that of her dog says to me that she was suffocated. Planned or not it happened that day for reasons only IS is aware of.

Does anyone know if he actually succeeded in changing her SO to him?


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[mrazda71]

You think he might have killed her by accident with too many pills?

It's a possibility?

But isn't that just as bad? Wouldn't he have had to have kept her in a drugged state for him to continue managing her affairs? As once he stopped the drugs, helen would eventually regain a clear mind and surely take back control of her finances. I can't see she would have allowed him just to carry on, once she was able to manage them herself. This is all allegedly and theoretical of course.


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I think it's a possibility that he intended to drug Helen enough to get control of the money, do what he wanted with it and yes, keep her feeling not quite right for as long as ...

Is that as bad as planning to murder her? That would be subjective. I would say not but you or the next person may think differently.

 

[mrjitty]

I've wondered if he ever did plan to actually murder Helen. I've wondered if his plan was just to slip her the sleeping pills for as long as it took to get Helen to give him control of her finances ... the day that Helen died seems to have been so chaotic that I find it hard to believe that that part was planned ...

I suspect the answers to many of our questions lie in IS's sociopathic/abusive personality

As an abuser, his singular focus is controlling and degrading his victim. It may also have been a cyclical pattern.

Because Helen is dead, we don't have a good insight into how this abuse played out. It may not have been violent, (I would not exclude that), but entirely emotional. I believe she would have been aware of it but was vulnerable.

Sadly this kind of abuse often only comes to light when the abuser badly injures/kills the victim.

Remember also that the abusers can frequently be charming to the outside world as well as to the victim.

Finally the sociopathic personality often takes extreme risks and self harms.

I suspect he enjoyed having this secret control over her. And who knows what things he did while she was unconscious.

So it may have been he kept pushing the boundaries of his abuse (drugging) and then accidentally killed her.

Sociopaths are also known to lose control. So perhaps in his acting out, he killed her somehow - in an unplanned way.

A chaotic killing is not actually that unusual for a sociopath. IS could be seen as much tidier than many.

Remember for example poor Jo Yeates who was murdered in an opportunistic fashion and then dumped.

 

[hunkerdown]

He sounds typically Essex/North London to region to me. The attached video link is quite amusing.

https://youtu.be/8jCTcCaPL34

IS has horn voice...


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[hunkerdown]

Personally? Long term, real life? Warts and all type 'knew her'?

Personally knew her for over 10 years, although not 'warts and all' as she was fairly private.


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[Florrie]

He sounds typically Essex/North London to region to me. The attached video link is quite amusing.

https://youtu.be/8jCTcCaPL34

God that's made me laugh so so much (I am from Essex). Who is he? Need to see more.


Edited to add I have found it!

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[mrazda71]

Personally knew her for over 10 years, although not 'warts and all' as she was fairly private.


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Ooh I see, can I ask in what capacity you knew her?

Have you considered becoming a websleuth 'verified insider' for this thread?

 

[icemaiden65]

As someone who works with computers everyday, albeit as a researcher, and with computer science colleagues and professionals, I'd only note that it would be very unusual for any computer tech to throw up a website as poor as that one. Terrible advert for one's competence/skills and offensively bad from a UI/engineering perspective. It would be like a pro chef serving, in public, a badly-presented, poor quality meal.

Very unlikely IMO he was any kind of a computer professional, from systems to design to IT. Maybe he sold them at PC World.

Totally agree - very shoddy work in progress and smacks of incompetence, didn't know diddly squat about what he was tinkering with.

 

[hunkerdown]

Ooh I see, can I ask in what capacity you knew her?

Have you considered becoming a websleuth 'verified insider' for this thread?

We met originally in a working capacity and then continued to stay in touch as friends. How do I become 'verified'?


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[Cherwell]

I wouldn't worry about getting "verified". It's more for confirming that people claiming to be professionals are actually qualified, or are related to the victim/accused.

The owners of this site are in the USA and it's difficult to see how they can check whether people in the UK know/knew each other. It has not been feasible on previous occasions.

 

[sleepyhead25]

I suspect the answers to many of our questions lie in IS's sociopathic/abusive personality

As an abuser, his singular focus is controlling and degrading his victim. It may also have been a cyclical pattern.

Because Helen is dead, we don't have a good insight into how this abuse played out. It may not have been violent, (I would not exclude that), but entirely emotional. I believe she would have been aware of it but was vulnerable.

Sadly this kind of abuse often only comes to light when the abuser badly injures/kills the victim.

Remember also that the abusers can frequently be charming to the outside world as well as to the victim.

Finally the sociopathic personality often takes extreme risks and self harms.

I suspect he enjoyed having this secret control over her. And who knows what things he did while she was unconscious.

So it may have been he kept pushing the boundaries of his abuse (drugging) and then accidentally killed her.

Sociopaths are also known to lose control. So perhaps in his acting out, he killed her somehow - in an unplanned way.

A chaotic killing is not actually that unusual for a sociopath. IS could be seen as much tidier than many.

Remember for example poor Jo Yeates who was murdered in an opportunistic fashion and then dumped.

Don't know if these links are helpful to any one - always good to raise awareness:

https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/recognising-domestic-abuse/

http://www.refuge.org.uk/about-domestic-violence/barriers-to-leaving/

Often men like IS behave start the relationship being kind, gentle, emotionally available etc - this is what makes the victim fall for the perp. The behaviour then changes and the behaviour becomes abusive. But outside of the home and to onlookers generally the perp is seen as a charming kind, generous person - this makes the victim think they are the problem.

The freedom programme is very good at understanding how these men/women think and how the cycle works/how it can be broken.

 

[Interested Bystander]

Where would I find the others Bystander please? TIA


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Ooops I got that wrong the videos are associated with Helen. Sorry. If you click on his "handle" it will offer you headings including "Video". Click on that and then on the first video which has a picture of Helen. There you will find further videos about Helen. Apologies.

 

[mbmc]

He sounds typically Essex/North London region to me. I should say I am guessing. I understand the accent spoken in Towie is considered Essex but that is extreme. The attached video link is quite amusing.

https://youtu.be/8jCTcCaPL34

Hahahaha, Russell Kane he is so funny.

Yes, north London/Essex sounds about right to me, he is from Letchworth so could be second generation of migrants that came there and the near town Stevenage as overspill from London in the 50s/60s.


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