GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #11

[Tortoise]

Gosh, she has some integrity. I'd be tempted to come up with stories to sell to the Sun about how he insisted on seasoning Diane's food with "special salt" or something.

Thing is Squamous, she was asleep but didn't realise it. They all were. (with boredom)

 

[neteditor]

He is having the biggest sulk/tantrum of his life. He is furious that he wasn't believed.

Exactly my view, too.

 

[Tiny]

Statement from the Lem family (Diane) / short statement from Oliver and Jamie:

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-02-23/...ts-late-wife-diane-back-probe-into-her-death/

 

[mbmc]

A lot has been talked about finances today, and I agree that IS's sons are grown men that can and should provide for themselves.

I also agree that no one should ever profit from such a heinous crime......or any crime.

The money that IS contributed to the house in Royston was from the family home that his late wife had worked for, Jamie and Oliver's mother.

IS had a financial contribution yes, (oh how fortunate) but he had not worked for 20 years, their mother had, and It pains me to see that the work she did all those years for her family could be squandered in legal fees for that disgusting man.

Whilst I do not think that children should feel entitled or expect an inheritance I do think that Jamie and Oliver should have what their mother worked for, she was far more deserving than IS and I am sure she would have wanted to leave what she had to her sons that she no doubt loved as any mother would.

I have four children and perish the thought that all I had worked for would go towards helping a murderer.........I have nothing, but had I........well, no words.







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[MillyM]

Well there was an inquest so presumably tissue samples were taken. Wonder how long they're kept.

"Thanks to hair samples, police were able to prove Stewart drugged Helen, 51, before he murdered her and disposed of the body in a cesspit.

However, Diane was cremated,* meaning detectives are relying on *postmortem tests from 2010.

Detective Chief Inspector Jerome Kent and his team of 27 are currently studying toxicology, cell and tissue tests from Diane’s postmortem examination.

They are also looking at statements, speaking with friends and family and checking what medication would have been in the house at the time."

I wonder whose idea cremation has been?

 

[Tiny]

Friends of Helen give their comments in "Murdered by my fiancé" tonight at 10pm ch5.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29292...re-she-lay-dead-in-septic-tank-40-yards-away/

 

[snoopydog]

Did anyone see the Janet street porter thing? http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/absolutely-disgusted-janet-street-porter-9904220

Not the best choice of words... I think it's really hard for anyone to see what on earth she could have seen in this man no matter how nice he was to her.


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[Alyce]

I get the impression that Diane was the social backbone of that bowls club, and far more well-liked than IS. And we all know that Helen was the sociable one in that partnership too. Which leads me to believe that IS leeched off their energy and popularity, but harboured resentment and jealousy. I think we are dealing with a misogynist as well as a psychopath.


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It was interesting in part of ISs evidence, where he said that he was very different to JS ( John Sinfield ) and Helen was very different to Diane.
Whilst I would agree wholeheartedly with the first part - I don't think he was right about the second comparison.

Yes Helen was a sophisticated, well known, wealthy author, living in London and Diane was a mum and school secretary, living a more suburban lifestyle.
But from what little I have read of both of them, I think they shared a lively spirit and a level of kindness and generosity of giving towards others, which made them very similar.

I agree with you BatFace, IS would want to bask in the reflected popularity, but at the same time, would hugely resent the fact that his partners were far better people than he could ever be.

 

[Cherwell]

Statement from the Lem family (Diane) / short statement from Oliver and Jamie:

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-02-23/...ts-late-wife-diane-back-probe-into-her-death/

"We understand a significant investigation has been carried out since Helen went missing," the sons said in a short statement.
"Understandably this is an extremely difficult time for us and we have no further comment to make other than for the media to respect our privacy."

Wow, that's a bit terse. Nothing to say about Helen at all.

 

[perfectvirgo]

"Thanks to hair samples, police were able to prove Stewart drugged Helen, 51, before he murdered her and disposed of the body in a cesspit.

However, Diane was cremated,* meaning detectives are relying on *postmortem tests from 2010.

Detective Chief Inspector Jerome Kent and his team of 27 are currently studying toxicology, cell and tissue tests from Diane’s postmortem examination.

They are also looking at statements, speaking with friends and family and checking what medication would have been in the house at the time."

I wonder whose idea cremation has been?

It's a valid question, as are other uncertainties surrounding Diane's death. I haven't linked to avoid advertising but a Google search reveals various labs claiming to be able to analyse cremains for toxicology. With glorious lack of foresight the dunderhead helpfully stored Diane's ashes in the garage.

 

[Tortoise]

What do we have

1. confidence with his method.
2. avoidance of saying anything about her death other than that she died, when we know he loves telling a story.
3. moving on instantly after a 20+ year marriage.
4. lone presence at both deaths.
5. unexpected death with no obvious cause
6. family surprise and inability to process Diane's cause of death.
7. incapacity to feel love.
8. long premeditation.
9. a malignant narcissist and liar.
10. some financial benefit

more ???

 

[Cherwell]

I like to think that he is in such a terrible state mentally now that he can't appear.

Maybe his new neighbours have already given him a good kicking.

 

[LozDa]

Did anyone see the Janet street porter thing? http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/absolutely-disgusted-janet-street-porter-9904220

Not the best choice of words... I think it's really hard for anyone to see what on earth she could have seen in this man no matter how nice he was to her.


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Janet has never had the filter most of us have; It's what has made her a success. She didn't mean it cruelly, but it was the wrong word choice, obviously!

I can't see any single appeal of him, but then I also wonder what in the blazes I ever saw in some of my exes, so.... :laughing:

He's repulsive. I don't think she was dumb or even naive really; I think she was vulnerable. And he took advantage of that.

 

[Tiny]

"We understand a significant investigation has been carried out since Helen went missing," the sons said in a short statement.
"Understandably this is an extremely difficult time for us and we have no further comment to make other than for the media to respect our privacy."

Wow, that's a bit terse. Nothing to say about Helen at all.

I am assuming that they might have spoken privately to John Bailey. I noticed in footage from earlier John Bailey was leaving the courtroom with Jamie literally behind him.

In saying that they could have perhaps said a small piece about Helen.

 

[cottonweaver]

I haven't caught up with the thread since I was here after JBright dropped his 10 minute sentencing - I see there's refs to Diane being "asleep" before she died. Is that correct?

 

[snoopydog]

Not sure about the sons statement. Is it not obvious after the trial there's been an investigation since Helen went missing? Wonder if it's mis quoted... the way it is it sounds like they are merely acknowledging there's been an investigation. Kind of odd sounding


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[Alyce]

"We understand a significant investigation has been carried out since Helen went missing," the sons said in a short statement.
"Understandably this is an extremely difficult time for us and we have no further comment to make other than for the media to respect our privacy."

Wow, that's a bit terse. Nothing to say about Helen at all.

Glad it's not just me. What do they mean, since Helen went missing ? They know now what happened, even if they choose not to believe their father is a murderer, they can't talk about Helen as if she is still just a missing person ?

I have to say - and I know this will not sit well with everyone but - neither of these two adults have said one single word of kindness or compassion for Helen, not when she was thought to be missing, not during the trial and not even now, when their father has been found guilty of her murder.
This is a woman that they shared a home with and, knowing Helen's generous spirit, received much from over a period of almost 3 years. Even if she was not their favourite person, a little bit of respect and a word or two of compassion would not come amiss, for the loss of Helen to her family and friends even if they personally do not miss her at all.
No one would expect them to give interviews to the Press and I would take a very dim view of any media who tried to do so. Nevertheless, their complete lack of care for Helen shines through in their every action.

 

[snoopydog]

Glad it's not just me. What do they mean, since Helen went missing ? They know now what happened, even if they choose not to believe their father is a murderer, they can't talk about Helen as if she is still just a missing person ?

I have to say - and I know this will not sit well with everyone but - neither of these two adults have said one single word of kindness or compassion for Helen, not when she was thought to be missing, not during the trial and not even now, when their father has been found guilty of her murder.
This is a woman that they shared a home with and, knowing Helen's generous spirit, received much from over a period of almost 3 years. Even if she was not their favourite person, a little bit of respect and a word or two of compassion would not come amiss, for the loss of Helen to her family and friends even if they personally do not miss her at all.
No one would expect them to give interviews to the Press and I would take a very dim view of any media who tried to do so. Nevertheless, their complete lack of care for Helen shines through in their every action.

Yup. They'd have been better putting out something properly instead of those couple of sentences but I suppose their heads are probably quite screwed up right now. The situation must be really traumatic for them

They'd have been better saying nothing rather than that.....

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[cottonweaver]

What do we have

1. confidence with his method.
2. avoidance of saying anything about her death other than that she died, when we know he loves telling a story.
3. moving on instantly after a 20+ year marriage.
4. lone presence at both deaths.
5. unexpected death with no obvious cause
6. family surprise and inability to process Diane's cause of death.
7. incapacity to feel love.
8. long premeditation.
9. a malignant narcissist and liar.
10. some financial benefit

more ???

off top of my head

11. He was no longer vulnerable and had quite a healthy life in front of him. (Pinto evidence)
12. The historical zopliclone prescriptions. 2005 & 2010. 2010's poss prompting him to get a re-issue in 2016.(7.5mg x 28each time)
13. days after killing HB he appears to make his first visit to the FB Diane Lem FB page, leaving his kiss, but not in preceding 6 years. Why?
14. Another very tenuous one I agree... but buying a sports car so soon after her death ( red MG) when he hasn't worked for 15 yrs and has two boys to support.
Your No. 3 - . unsubstantiated claims that he was dating new women and referring to one as his "wife" . Odd if true.
15. Why no coroners report mention in the local news* for Oct 2010. Has it been pulled since before trial? ( Depends on when police started an enquiry into Diane. I can't find *)

there'll be more.

Just as helpful what do we have against it's likelihood
1. Much less financial gain. ( Financial evidence)
2. Difficulty of accurately triggering a seizure to fit the circs, eg being alone, that afternoon.
3. Were toxicology tests already performed and came up blank?

 

[Cherwell]

I am assuming that they might have spoken privately to John Bailey. I noticed in footage from earlier John Bailey was leaving the courtroom with Jamie literally behind him.

In saying that they could have perhaps said a small piece about Helen.

JB has been very kind to them and they have been sitting with him every day they have attended court.