GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #11

[MillyM]

That part has just been copied from the Mail article.

I know. She comes out with how the sons stand to inherit, and all the rest follow suit, yet she has no positive proof of that or how things will rest in light of events.

 

[Interested Bystander]

Next-door neighbour Mavis Drake, a close friend of Helen, said: “She was a lovely, warm woman who would do anything to help you but he was quite cold and unfriendly.

I cannot help but wonder, that if HB learned through grief counselling that her husband JS had not been perfect, she somehow accepted that IS wasn't perfect either, and that this kind of behaviour was part of that imperfection (instead of a huge red flag).

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BIB
I think we know that her late husband could be quite difficult. I am fairly sure someone who knew her writings posted this a long while back. I have not read her book (Bad Things Happen in Good Bikinis) but I am wondering if it was in there or maybe on one of her web pages.

This was his third marriage which could say quite a lot about him. However she did seem to love him. He was a much more sophisticated kind of guy which would have suited her more than the rather downtrodden IS.

I think she learned to forgive the bad in IS. What a generous lady. For me, his behaviour with the neighbour when they first moved in would have thrown up huge misgivings about the relationship and the fact that he took Helen along with him I feel sure was an attempt to downgrade any future relationship she may have developed with their immediate neighbours. The beginnings of attempts to isolate her. That coupled with his slovenly appearance was a big turn off IMO but she seemed blinkered. Maybe she just longed to be in someone's arms and have their support that she was completely blindsided to what she was getting into.

 

[cottonweaver]

Bizarre reports now- Sunday Express - barrel scraping on the urn - that'll be the Haddenstone planter.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/77...stewart-temper-dog-boris-neighbours-evil-side

 

[Cherwell]

I know. She comes out with how the sons stand to inherit, and all the rest follow suit, yet she has no positive proof of that or how things will rest in light of events.

We don't know if she's been misquoted though, or taken out of context. She may have been fed the line about the sons being beneficiaries by the reporter, who was fishing. This is why many people refuse to give interviews to the media.

 

[Squamous]

Huh?
Where's Moll? She previously fired off an email to another no-hoper reporter from the STimes.


I see Mavis has commented there too. Circumspection required if you have only known all parties for 3 years since 2013?

As I said some threads ago, "undue influence" could also have been a successful litigation argument in a case like this, I appreciate that no-one will go down that line but just saying....

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ETA . more new articles, DExpress etc - thanks for the links, going to have a read of them.

This is mad, what utter hogwash. Don't these journos pay any attention to what they're writing?!

 

[Rayemonde]

Maybe the neighbours exaggerated. If Helen was a good person, I don't think she would have put up with IS going ballistic over a hedge, let alone throwing rocks at dogs... We know that Boris himself barked excessively, and if IS was willing to throw rocks at the neighbours' dogs I'm sure he would have thought nothing about giving Boris a kick to stop him barking. If what the neighbours say is true, IS didn't bother to hide his temper in front of Helen so she would have been aware of this.

 

[cottonweaver]

Glad we have the account finally from the Royston neighbour whom he had said THEY had rowed with. So previous speculation is now confirmed - that HE rowed with the neighbour, not Helen.

Still, it's interesting to get the actual details though : "red-faced", "intimidate" and "he just scoffed and said ‘I don’t care what the law says’."
How mortifying and embarrassing for Helen, so soon after they had moved into H Lodge.

The contemptuous - ‘I don’t care what the law says’ - Good luck with drafting that appeal Ian- you might find yourself stymied by the law there.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/77...stewart-temper-dog-boris-neighbours-evil-side

 

[Milenalee]

Volcanic rages of cesspit killer

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Well well .... they must have found persons who knew him after all.
Makes one wonder why HB never noticed this, or did she?

The article is not available online yet.

Verdict changes everything. Before this reporters said they could find no one who would say anything negative. He must have had some charm as a lover or he never would have snagged two such nice, bright and outgoing women....


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[Tortoise]

What was wanting that concrete slab about. Tightwad wouldn't spend money unless it was vital.

 

[JudgeMental]

Rachel Johnson has a piece in today's Mail on Sunday that repeats the nonsense about IS putting the tablets in Helen's scrambled eggs and enticing the dog into the cesspit with a toy. No evidence at all that this is what he did.

 

[cottonweaver]

Maybe the neighbours exaggerated. If Helen was a good person, I don't think she would have put up with IS going ballistic over a hedge, let alone throwing rocks at dogs... We know that Boris himself barked excessively, and if IS was willing to throw rocks at the neighbours' dogs I'm sure he would have thought nothing about giving Boris a kick to stop him barking. If what the neighbours say is true, IS didn't bother to hide his temper in front of Helen so she would have been aware of this.

It doesn't say that HB was present when he was stone-throwing at dogs so she still mightn't have seen the temper flashes.

Agree, neighbour could be exaggerating but the temper description sounds very similar to the account of the hysteria over the £3 bowls buffet.

If he's willing to put a dachs in a cesspit dead or alive it can't be an exaggeration that he'd kick a dog, as you say, or throw stones at others.

 

[Joely 123]

They don't mince their words do they?! Hope you're doing OK Joely, your beautiful words have been such a help at times during this harrowing journey for those of us who didn't know Helen on a one-to-one basis. x

Awe - thank you icemaiden for such lovely words. It has been harrowing for everyone. I didn't know Helen - only friends of hers .. but feel 'connected' to her like we all do x

 

[Cherwell]

Verdict changes everything. Before this reporters said they could find no one who would say anything negative. He must have had some charm as a lover or he never would have snagged two such nice, bright and outgoing women....

Quite rightly, people would be wary of speaking to the media before the trial was over because of sub judice laws. He was blatantly guilty, but who wants to risk giving him any grounds for appeal?

 

[cottonweaver]

Vile to see a new horrid photo of him but what strikes me is rather that he is unchanged.

Apart from the beard he actually looks exactly the same as the released custody photo.

( Once again this has S*d-all to do with Mg. We know he can smile and is able to control his facial muscles.)

Presume this was taken inside the conservatory at HL ( salt glaze tiling fits with Domestic Revival design of HLodge.)

Seems that finding IS smiling in a photo is a rare thing.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/77...ue-kent?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

( PS Period style conservatories don't come cheap - it must have been keeping him awake at night - yes, he'd said in interview that Helen was funding that but it's a big chunk out of what he's already decided is HIS money)

 

[Alyce]

Journos and their inflated stories - sigh ...

I see throwing stones at the dogs has now become bricks - and there seem to be numerous neighbours and associates who knew all about nasty, violent, IS but never said a word to police when Helen went * missing*.

Re IS taking Helen round to the neighbour - I wonder if Helen followed him round to try and diffuse the situation, not wanting to fall out with her new neighbours.

Clearly none of the journos have stopped by WS, they would have far more accurate info if they did.

 

[Alyce]

What was wanting that concrete slab about. Tightwad wouldn't spend money unless it was vital.

Does make you wonder - had to be a purpose to it - money would not be spent without good cause in IS world.

 

[Sheila Terranova]

Zopiclone tablets can result in death by epilepsy? Maybe he didn't want Diane's mom to question how her daughter could have died from epilepsy not previously suffering from it? That worked well so he gave it another shot with Helen who did not succumb. When she became cognizant of something off/feeling drugged he gave up on her developing epilepsy and smothered her. Imho. Modest theory on my part, I'm normally wrong.

 

[cottonweaver]

Quite rightly, people would be wary of speaking to the media before the trial was over because of sub judice laws. He was blatantly guilty, but who wants to risk giving him any grounds for appeal?

TBH Cherwell I really hope he goes for it - as long as it's not publicly funded - it can't be LAid funded now after all his assets have been disclosed - so let him chuck lots of money down the drain on a new team of solicitors - it's not like he's going to get anywhere.

 

[Alyce]

Vile to see a new horrid photo of him but what strikes me is rather that he is unchanged.

Apart from the beard he actually looks exactly the same as the released custody photo.

( Once again this has S*d-all to do with Mg. We know he can smile and is able to control his facial muscles.)

Presume this was taken inside the conservatory at HL ( salt glaze tiling fits with Domestic Revival design of HLodge.)

Seems that finding IS smiling in a photo is a rare thing.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/77...ue-kent?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

( PS Period style conservatories don't come cheap - it must have been keeping him awake at night - yes, he'd said in interview that Helen was funding that but it's a big chunk out of what he's already decided is HIS money)

Yes, same sneer with his top lip. Also his right eye often has that lowered eyelid ( not his fault of course ) which reminds me of Sarah Williams ( Sadie Hartley murderer )

 

[Tortoise]

Does make you wonder - had to be a purpose to it - money would not be spent without good cause in IS world.

I think he was going to try to move them. He was not comfortable with his hiding place and knew police were ruling out that she had gone to Broadstairs.