GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #2

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  • #441
I agree. There's plenty of saying that other people might be/were "judgemental" about Helen getting into a serious exclusive relationship (and indeed committing to marriage) so quickly after her loss, but a lot of that judgement possibly sounds like wisdom to me. Of course, no one could have predicted the outcome in terms of her death, but in terms of making big decisions when she barely knew which way was up I think many people may have had a point.

Helen and I are clearly wildly different people though. I don't know what a whisky glass looks like and I'd kick the shortbread even on a good day. Surely Boris would have eaten it?
 
  • #442
Squamous - you write from such a heartfelt place. Helen writes about how the forums didn't like talking of dating. Nor did she - she went from a 'helter skelter' place of desperation to finally laughing (as she describes) when GGW was stuck in the mud whilst dog (Boris) walking. It was at this moment she crossed the line towards a future with IS. And she was appalled with herself to be happy again and felt so disloyal to her wonderful JS. She wrote about how her Brother found her, after JS's death, packing to return home - with her herbal medicines, labelled in plastic packets - and her Knorr-Swiss Chicken Soup cube, which she took with her on travels as an 'antidote' to sniffles and colds.
I write this especially because of Helen being drugged - it would have to be a VERY clever exercise to get past her defined observation.
 
  • #443
I'm disappointed to read this, Michelle, because haven't you been in court on several days?
Reliant as we are on live reports and tweets, which are of necessity condensed, I'm always aware that we're not necessarily getting a complete account. I'd particularly like to know if the police witness explained why they weren't able to lift that hatch straight away.

BIB me too...that seems crucial. Health and Safety is fine, but two men struggling would not be.

I also hope that there is more being said that is not being released - as you said, we all know we only get the condensed , official court report that is fed to all journos.
 
  • #444
So IS and Defence are at court tomorrow , even though no trial



The Crown Court

at St Albans
Daily List for Tuesday 24 January 2017 at BRICKET ROAD ST ALBANS


Court 1

NOT SITTING
NOT BEFORE 10:00 am
For Mention (Defendant to Attend)
T20167121 STEWART Ian
41E12190616
Defence only to attend

Published: 23 January 2017 at 16:30
 
  • #445
Legal arguments?

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  • #446
Oooh! Maybe he's going to change his plea.
 
  • #447
I think it was said earlier that there was no plan to sit tomorrow. I don't think it means anything.


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I'd actually think more of him if he did hold his hands up and spare Helen's family any further appearances.


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  • #450
I don't know, I was kind of looking forward to Nick and Joe.

I hope he's not considering any manslaughter claptrap.
 
  • #451
So was I, Squamous. And to the comments of everyone here, which have been very informative so far, thank you all.
But I don't see how he could get a manslaughter plea agreed. It seems much more likely he will be urged to change his plea to guilty, don't you think? Given how much he's already put her family through, I can't see it gaining him much credit, though.
 
  • #452
I too have felt the Prosecution seem to be taking a softy softly approach - I'm hoping its because a/ the evidence against him is so overwhelming they've no need to play hardball and b/ they are keeping their powder dry for some really knockout blows to come. Here's hoping!

These are the prosecution's own witnesses

Why would they play hardball?

I think this is pretty standard so far for a big UK murder case.

The defence has done pretty much zero to disrupt the prosecution case so far
 
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Apologies if I'm commenting in the wrong place, I'm still getting the hang of this! Just want to say Hi and thank everyone for such an interesting and illuminating ongoing discussion. As others before me have said, I am glad to have found an outlet for my emotions, opinions and questions on this very distressing case. I did not know Helen but felt I did through her wonderfully clever, funny and direct writing. She communicated with such truth and was clearly a class act in all kinds of ways, both professionally and personally. It must have been quite something to have known her as a friend. For her to have met such an appalling and premature death, along with that beautiful little dog Boris who she loved so much, makes me feel pure rage!

I suppose I should declare an interest here - I'm a writer of a similar age to Helen and though not widowed, found myself unexpectedly single late in life. This thread is not about me but I'd like to share some observations that I hope others will find interesting. Like Helen, I relied on my gorgeous little dog for comfort and company as I contemplated a scary future as a single woman, a few decades past the first flush of youth. It is a daunting prospect for many of us and sadly this goes some way to explain why so many women 'settle' for men who really aren't worthy of them.

I think it's pretty clear to any reasonable person that Helen and IS were not an obvious match. Her intellect, achievements, eligibility, wealth (of course) and general appeal were far above his. He should have been a fling at best - her 'transitional man', ie the one who moves you on mentally from your lost love and prepares you to meet the next one. IS was not marriage material - so why did Helen (and why do so many other women) settle?

As Helen's brother has stated, Helen was hugely unlucky to have fallen for a dangerous psychopath and her fate at his hands was so mind bogglingly horrific, she could never have predicted it. Had she even known he was capable of harming her beloved Boris, she'd have shown him the door. It is heartbreakingly ironic that her blog was full of safety warnings for widows hitting the internet dating scene. It's too late for Helen and Boris but I hope other women who find themselves in a similar situation to Helen's in mid-life can learn some lessons from her tragedy.

I married a sociopath and I now see (with that wonderful thing called hindsight) that there were umpteen clues he did not love me and had only pursued me for my high salary and comfortable lifestyle. I willfully ignored/dismissed every clue about his real feelings for me. I now puzzle over why I clung to this denial for so long and went ahead and married a cold, self-serving man I knew in my heart did not love me. My blood ran cold when I read the little digs IS repeatedly made about Helen, how you would find her books in charity shops for example, describing her as menopausal and constantly emphasising her anxiety (anxiety he had no doubt contributed to with his constant, subtle undermining of her). This was my ex husband's modus operandi too. He was happy for me to bankroll our lifestyle, pay for flash cars and 5* holidays yet he was dismissive of my work, mocked me at every opportunity and would never acknowledge that my talents and toil had paid for these things. I became jumpy, anxious and introverted - a shadow of the happy, outgoing, fun woman I was when I met him. I believed I was at fault, that he was right to point out my inadequacies. I now totally understand how older women can override their own feminine intuition in romantic matters and see a relationship as they want it to be and not as it really is. I suspect this is a very common scenario and many unhappy, late life marriages result. In most cases, they do not end in murder.

I hope, armed with this self-knowledge, I would not allow myself to be duped by such a man again. I only wish Helen had been given the same opportunity to learn this lesson but the sociopath she fell for took her life. Not content to share the luxury lifestyle she so generously offered him (and his grown up sons), he believed he deserved to have it all to himself and killed her to get it. What happened to Helen is the most unlikely and extreme life 'plot twist' imaginable. Her death, along with her beloved dog, at the hands of a man who professed to love her, reminds us starkly there are far worse things than being a middle aged single woman.

I hope you'll forgive me for throwing these very personal thoughts into the mix. I have been so impressed with the high standard of the debate here on Web Sleuths and the polite, respectful camaraderie between contributors. God bless.

Hi Dolly

Thank you for your great post.

My own experience was in different circumstances to yours but the part of your post I highlighted was exactly the same.

The sociopath leads the victim to believe that you are to blame, and that you are useless and worthless. And then they convince family members and friends of the same thing.

It took me several years to undo the damage of all this and I lost 5 years to it.

Power to you as a survivor!

These people are evil

There is no other word for it. They feed off hurting and dominating.
 
  • #455
So was I, Squamous. And to the comments of everyone here, which have been very informative so far, thank you all.
But I don't see how he could get a manslaughter plea agreed. It seems much more likely he will be urged to change his plea to guilty, don't you think? Given how much he's already put her family through, I can't see it gaining him much credit, though.


At this stage it will gain him zero credit - the trial is too far gone already

My guess is he wont be changing any pleas.........although I cannot work out what the reason for tomorrow's court appearance is



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  • #456
I don't know, I was kind of looking forward to Nick and Joe.

I hope he's not considering any manslaughter claptrap.
Me too re Nick and Joe - he might as well have called the 'heavies' Morecambe and Wise, it would be more believable!
 
  • #457
These are the prosecution's own witnesses

Why would they play hardball?

I think this is pretty standard so far for a big UK murder case.

The defence has done pretty much zero to disrupt the prosecution case so far
You're quite right, I'm getting muddled. I meant to echo the earlier comment expressing disappointment that no killer blow (no pun intented) seems to have yet been struck to the accused - though as we are all pretty much agreed, the circumstantial evidence against him is damning. In the name of justice for Helen and Boris, I hunger to see this despicable individual take the stand and answer for himself. But like all manipulators he is a coward and if he is intelligent enough to have worked out he cannot manipulate a jury with his crocodile tears and sub-Sweeney tales of tattooed, mystery ****s then he's intelligent enough to decline to give evidence. Either way it will speak volumes about him - but as I say, for the sake of his victims and the loved ones he has left devastated, I would like to see him in the dock, being made mincemeat of by the prosecution like a cornered rat.
 
  • #458
So IS and Defence are at court tomorrow , even though no trial



The Crown Court

at St Albans
Daily List for Tuesday 24 January 2017 at BRICKET ROAD ST ALBANS


Court 1

NOT SITTING
NOT BEFORE 10:00 am
For Mention (Defendant to Attend)
T20167121 STEWART Ian
41E12190616
Defence only to attend

Published: 23 January 2017 at 16:30

Plea change?

What would be other scenarios? Admission of late evidence?
 
  • #459
Hi Dolly

Thank you for your great post.

My own experience was in different circumstances to yours but the part of your post I highlighted was exactly the same.

The sociopath leads the victim to believe that you are to blame, and that you are useless and worthless. And then they convince family members and friends of the same thing.

It took me several years to undo the damage of all this and I lost 5 years to it.

Power to you as a survivor!

These people are evil

There is no other word for it. They feed off hurting and dominating.

I was touched by the empathy and eloquence of your words - thank you. Sociopaths all fall somewhere on a scale, IS was obviously at the extreme end but all of them can do great damage to other human beings, sometimes irrevocably. Thankfully you and I are survivors, I only wish dear Helen had been. It could have been so different - I can imagine after coming to her senses about the relationship, Helen kicking IS and his adult children out and buying a gorgeous home back in London (that she so loved and missed) for her and Boris. She would have written about the five crazy years she spent with the ghastly IS with her customary wit and candor, no longer calling him the 'GGHW' (Gorgeous Grey Haired Widower) but now renaming him the 'Creepy Repulsive Egotistical Totally Irritating Nonentity' (or 'CRETIN' for short). Oh if only, if only...
 
  • #460
I actually wonder if he has any friends ?

He doesn't appear to work and it would seem he has not done so for quite some time ( as in years ) so no work colleagues.
His children are adults now, so all the - possible - school connections to other parents may have faded away.
He has mentioned in his evidence that Helen made friends with the neighbours - did he ?
The only comment I remember, from neighbours, is that when Helen was there, the gate was always unlocked, they could visit. Once Helen went *missing* the gates were always locked. Whilst I can appreciate that might be preferable, even to an innocent person who wanted to avoid folk constantly calling round when he was stressed out, it still gave the impression that IS did not have much contact with neighbours.
He is an only child, so no sibling support.
Perhaps friends from when he lived in Bassingbourn ? or still has some contacts with the widow/widower groups he used to belong to.

Interesting post. I very much doubt IS has any close friends. As a sociopath/psychopath his relationships are likely to have been of the slightly formal, arms length kind. This way he can continue his facade as a decent, 'lovely man' to quote his son's hoodwinked girlfriend - he wouldn't feel comfortable allowing people too close. I suspect Helen was the warm and friendly one whose gate was always open to the neighbours and who enjoyed informal social interaction while IS was not at ease with it or other people at all. It is clear Helen had a gift for friendship and inspired loyalty and affection - as we know, IS was a different animal altogether. Psychopaths are all about self-preservation and do not want to let too much light/scrutiny in on the kindly, salt of the earth persona they have fabricated! I believe his membership of various widow/widower groups was not to foster a social life but for the sole purpose of snaring a rich woman. From seeing his photograph, I have to say I find it quite staggering he achieved that goal! (Slightly off-topic but can anyone imagine a woman of similar portly proportions and attractiveness rating to IS, going after wealthy men?! Wouldn't happen!) I note your comment that IS is an only child. I don't want to generalise or get too Freudian here but this man's overwhelming arrogance and sense of entitlement certainly tallies with the image of an indulged only child. No doubt lots of very revealing facts will come out about the man over the next few weeks - his history will be very telling.
 
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