GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #3

[Tortoise]

You see with his computer wiped I wonder if the police would have discovered things like that.

 

[DollyDiamond]

I wonder if Helen ever saw that.

I know - unbloodybelievable that he would say that about his first wife! I totally felt the same as you, when he expressed anger against Helen during the mounting police searches. He was clearly getting backed into a corner with it all, the truth was finally dawning on his mighty brain that the police weren't going to sit back and accept his version of events unchallenged, images of prison cells were starting to pop up in his dreams so what does he do? He does what all cowards do - he throws his toys out the pram, lashes out and blames Helen for getting him into trouble! I found it thoroughly sickening when he told the police 'if Helen came back' he didn't want to be with her anymore. And all the time he knows what he's done to her and Boris. To blame someone for their own murder is an especially warped bit of logic and surely the ultimate in narcissism!

 

[Tortoise]

He just cannot have got through life without leaving a trail of destruction. No way. There must be more to his past.

 

[snoopydog]

Thing is these comments don't make him guilty. They just show how careless he is I think. I can understand someone saying on an anniversary they're doing better and it's not so hard for them etc etc but his choice of words is just really wrong....


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[DollyDiamond]

He just cannot have got through life without leaving a trail of destruction. No way. There must be more to his past.

I agree - I think the post trail media coverage could be very revealing! I'm off to bed soon, hoping as we all do that the proceedings WILL proceed tomorrow! Regardless that there was no progress in court, I think my Websleuth friends came up with some excellent detective work today. I won't go into details (because it serves no purpose) but it was reassuring to have my early view confirmed by others on the evidence of IS' sons. I think they are totally blameless and do not cast any aspersions on them whatsoever. However, their accounts, specifically of the day of the murder Monday 11th April, have never rung 100% convincing to me. Having read some brilliantly insightful posts here today I am now of the firm view that IS did not get his story together until Tuesday 12th April regarding Helen's disappearance, and the sons' version of events and their interactions with their father on 11th/12th April confirms that for me. As I've said before, murderers create many victims, and IS' sons are two more.

 

[Interested Bystander]

A common sign of a ruptured aneurysm is a seizure.

Yes, but at post mortem an aneurysm would have been obvious and then I don't feel epilepsy would have been given as the possible cause of death.

 

[cottonweaver]

Yes, but at post mortem an aneurysm would have been obvious and then I don't feel epilepsy would have been given as the possible cause of death.

re BIB, which would have also made opening an inquest unnecessary?

 

[Cherwell]

If you want the most reliable source, you could apply for the death certificate.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/app_select.asp

 

[peter010101]

I have always felt a university degree tells you very little about a person's intelligence - only their ability to pass/scrape through some exams!

Scraped degree v. no degree: my experience suggests the former as the more negative indicator. (That's not to deny that there have been brilliant people who 'took a Third'.)

 

[MillyM]

Trivia:

IS was born in Hitchin, Herts in 1960. Married DL in late 1986 in Chesterfield, Derbyshire.

 

[DollyDiamond]

from your link, am surprised at her description of Ian
"GGHW is a man who will talk to anybody and is one of the kindest people I have ever met, but his advice was to leave her alone."

We know as a sociopath he is an arch manipulator but in addition, I strongly suspect Helen is making the classic mistake so many make when they want a new relationship to work - she is seeing IS as she wants to see him and not as he really is. I have done this myself - projected all kinds of wonderful qualities of warmth and kindness onto a man who didn't actually have them! Oh how we can delude ourselves because we so want them to be that person. We live and learn, but tragically Helen was robbed of that opportunity.

 

[wolfcub]

Thanks for the welcome on here by everyone!
No, I do not think he would be stupid enough to do anything obvious like cutting brakes.
Who knows, maybe if the 'easier route' wasn't working out (accident of some sort, or losing mind(thanks to the drugging) hence power of attorney) and if another 'sudden epileptic fit' did not actually take place to prompt the placing in the cesspit, then maybe her declaration that 'she was never going to drive again' was not made up by IS - but in fact made him think that more drastic action was necessary, impatient as he must have been becoming (just another scenario amongst many possibles - the end result being the same: her death at his cold-blooded hands - I do wonder if he will ever admit the full truth of what happened even when convicted, as he surely will be).

 

[Florrie]

Thanks for the welcome on here by everyone!
No, I do not think he would be stupid enough to do anything obvious like cutting brakes.
Who knows, maybe if the 'easier route' wasn't working out (accident of some sort, or losing mind(thanks to the drugging) hence power of attorney) and if another 'sudden epileptic fit' did not actually take place to prompt the placing in the cesspit, then maybe her declaration that 'she was never going to drive again' was not made up by IS - but in fact made him think that more drastic action was necessary, impatient as he must have been becoming (just another scenario amongst many possibles - the end result being the same: her death at his cold-blooded hands - I do wonder if he will ever admit the full truth of what happened even when convicted, as he surely will be).

I don't think he will ever admit it because to do so means facing his demons and he won't want to do that. Obviously he could suddenly plead guilty to end the trial but even if he were to do that I don't think he would ever explain what really happened.

I agree, he surely has to be found guilty as the evidence against him is damning.


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[Squamous]

I feel really frustrated that it isn't like the movies and he won't do a completely truthful soliloquy covering his motives, planning and what happened. I flipping hope that he does at least give evidence and gets reduced to flinders by the prosecution.


Hope the jury are all fit as fiddles today, or at least dosed on Imodium.

 

[Lit Up]

That's awful.
Will you go again tomorrow?

I don't want to make another wasted journey like yesterday so I think I'm gonna wait until I know if the court is sitting and then get there a bit later

 

[cottonweaver]

I don't want to make another wasted journey like yesterday so I think I'm gonna wait until I know if the court is sitting and then get there a bit later

what a drag - never thought you were there sat waiting outside yesterday at the same time as we were drumming our fingernails here. That's much worse. Just hope you didn't travel too many miles.

 

[scandinavian girl]

A common sign of a ruptured aneurysm is a seizure.[/QUOTE

I have seen it, my horse needed new shoes and my blacksmith was working like he always does. Suddenly he just sat down and was not able to move, it went rapidly worse, I called for an ambulance and on his way to hospital he went in to a coma and never woke up again. Autopsyreport said it was a ruptured aneurysm.

 

[Alyce]

Morning All
cant see any news re trial so far

 

[Lit Up]

Can someone let me know if the court has been adjourned or not. I'm currently at the train station and will set off if I know it's on. Haven't been able to find out yet

 

[Alyce]

Can someone let me know if the court has been adjourned or not. I'm currently at the train station and will set off if I know it's on. Haven't been able to find out yet

cant see anything so far LitUp, am still checking