GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #3

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  • #61
I've no idea - I would have thought if they were married then IS would automatically inherit pretty much everything? I have no expertise at all.

Part of me has wondered if it might be better financially for him if she died before they were married but I don't have enough knowledge!
When he asked her to marry him he would have only benefted if Helen died once married, but once she had changed her will to include him anyway there was no financial benefit to him in getting married.

Helen had also arranged POA for if she became unable to handle her own affairs due to her mental state, so with the drugging IS could well have been trying to create a situation where she was assessed as being in no fit state to handle her affairs, leaving her knight in shining armour free to take over. Maybe that wasn't working as well as planned?

As he mentioned POA when chasing up the sale of Helen's flat it looks like he thought that POA would kick into effect if she was mssing too. So he probably assumed he'd have control over her finances till she was declared officially dead and then would get his share in the will.Her brother was listed as POA too though it doesnt look like IS consulted him about the flat sale and even if he did have to get Helens brother's approval for any future decisions he had already insured that he'd be financially OK by increasing the standing order to their joint account. Handy!
 
  • #62
:offtopic:

Pssst, dalsglen, Neil Dovestone...
 
  • #63
Excellent timing cags, my wee heart skipped a beat there! Bit nervous to go look!!!
 
  • #64
Re the "heavy" manhole cover - please don't be misled about this!

For example, I recently built a concrete soakaway 3m deep using concrete rings. It has a solid iron manhole cover like what you see in the street which is much heavier than 7.5kg

Yes the thing is heavy for me to lift - but actually even my relatively weak partner can open it with ease.

You use a simple short hook or section of rope, to crack the cover and then shift it sideways to open. It pivots very easily

Simple physics.

The point is that with these kind of access covers, you don't need to dead lift them.

You lever them or pivot them off.

Most of the weight is supported by the ground at all times, so I only need enough force to move it up 10cm or so, and then overcome friction to drag it sideways.

In the same way i was able to reposition the concrete rings themselves because the weight is supported by the ground - i only need to overcome friction.

Bottom line, even an injured man can open a 7.5kg cover.

He does not need to use his stomach muscles to lift.

He can pivot it off with his arm/shoulder alone - or knees.

Hi MrJitty, yes, that is how it works, thanks for explaining it so well.

This week, I had to transport a big arm chair. I got help with putting it into the car, but when I arrived home there was no one to help me get it out of the car and I did not want to leave it there because it was getting very cold.
I had some limitations:
- the chair itself had been stripped of most of its covers and had become a bit rickety as a result, so I had to be careful, I could not drag it along.
- a flatbed transport trolley, unfortunately the chair was wider and the legs would hit the ground;
- plus myself, with pain in the lower back. At least for the time being, I can't carry heavy objects and must evade certain movements.

It is amazing how much you can achieve without much strength or force.
I had HB's case in my mind while I 'struggled' with this huge object. Well, the hardest part was figuring out how to do it.

Moving the chair out of the car - gravity is your best friend. Toppling the chair with its back on the transport trolley and the chair legs on the left and right of the handle - you turn it sideways and gravity comes to the rescue.

In all it took me a bit longer than someone who could easily lift the chair and carry it on his shoulder, but I got the chair indoors in less than 10 minutes.

I have no doubt that IS was able to transport and hide the bodies during the time that his mobile was inactive, without leaving traces of the transport, despite his recent surgery.
 
  • #65
No, doesn't sound too lovely does he - when his back was against the wall and he was having to answer some difficult questions his true colours started to show!
 
  • #66
Helen had repeated problems with the sewers in her Highgate house and he rushed up there and sorted everything out for her.

Interesting ! I wonder if he had tools for opening drain covers.
 
  • #67
Either of you may know the family and be certain of where they are from, I don't know and nor am I interested but according to this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknew...ling-beloved-childrens-author-for-her-wealth/

Yesterday Ian’s parents Brenda and Keith Stewart returned to their home in Letchworth, Hertfordshire, accompanied by an official.

Keith told The Sun: “We don’t have any comment. People are twisting things.”

'People are twisting things'. Interesting. It's entirely possible they think their son is innocent and are standing by him. I wonder if they were an early audience for the 'Nick and Joe' fairy tale?
 
  • #68
'People are twisting things'. Interesting. It's entirely possible they think their son is innocent and are standing by him. I wonder if they were an early audience for the 'Nick and Joe' fairy tale?

Absolutely possible that they believe in him, especially if he has never done anything like this before. And what a leap to the realisation that he could. I wouldn't blame them at all for not wanting even subconsciously to make that leap.



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  • #69
"Joe and Nick" - sounds Dickensian doesn't it - like Bill Sikes and the Artful Dodger! I wonder if they had cockney accents and wore John Bull hats.

[video=youtube;wjblvX95Blw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjblvX95Blw[/video]
 
  • #70
'People are twisting things'. Interesting. It's entirely possible they think their son is innocent and are standing by him. I wonder if they were an early audience for the 'Nick and Joe' fairy tale?

In all fairness DollyD that snippet is from July 11th I think? Shortly after IS first arrest. I don't think, today, anything can be drawn from those words. They just so happened to be on the end of what I posted.
 
  • #71
Either of you may know the family and be certain of where they are from, I don't know and nor am I interested but according to this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknew...ling-beloved-childrens-author-for-her-wealth/

Yesterday Ian’s parents Brenda and Keith Stewart returned to their home in Letchworth, Hertfordshire, accompanied by an official.

Keith told The Sun: “We don’t have any comment. People are twisting things.”

Where living now, yes, but not to say were when their son was born. As from Luton, surmised that may have been where IS hails from.

Wonder what his parents think now...
 
  • #72
In all fairness DollyD that snippet is from July 11th I think? Shortly after IS first arrest. I don't think, today, anything can be drawn from those words. They just so happened to be on the end of what I posted.

Oh, thank you for clarifying, I had wrongly assumed that was a recent quote.
 
  • #73
In modern times, place of birth doesn't always indicate residences as children are usually born in hospitals. I was born in a town where I have never lived, as were most of my local friends.
 
  • #74
I'd love to know what people think about a fact that came out in court yesterday: Two unsuccessful attempts made to log into Helen's bank account on the day of her disappearance, 11th April. The first attempt made around lunch time/early afternoon (I forget the time stated) from a mobile phone and the second attempt made that evening (presumably not from a mobile as it wasn't specified), at the time that IS was out, at his son's bowls event!

This has left me baffled - what do you make of it guys?
 
  • #75
In modern times, place of birth doesn't always indicate residences as children are usually born in hospitals. I was born in a town where I have never lived, as were most of my local friends.

Indeed. I have similar.

ISs registration is Hitchin.
 
  • #76
I'd love to know what people think about a fact that came out in court yesterday: Two unsuccessful attempts made to log into Helen's bank account on the day of her disappearance, 11th April. The first attempt made around lunch time/early afternoon (I forget the time stated) from a mobile phone and the second attempt made that evening (presumably not from a mobile as it wasn't specified), at the time that IS was out, at his son's bowls event!

This has left me baffled - what do you make of it guys?

I would also like to know if they said anything about the third - successful - attempt.

This is the problem with the reporters' feeds. We are very grateful to have them, but they can't include everything and we can't tell what's just been missed out.
 
  • #77
I would also like to know if they said anything about the third - successful - attempt.

This is the problem with the reporters' feeds. We are very grateful to have them, but they can't include everything and we can't tell what's just been missed out.[/Q

Precisely - there were three attempts weren't there, it would be interesting to know details of the final, presumably successful one. This second attempt to log into her account while he was out at bowls initially made me wonder could it have been someone other than IS?
 
  • #78
I have a question for Pips, if she is able to answer.

Ian Stewart told the police,

"(Helen) knew she didn’t want to do children’s books anymore, and she didn’t want to do this sort of personal book."

I can understand how the tour for the bereavement book would have been draining for Helen, bringing up all sorts of bad memories and emotions.

Do you know if it's true that Helen didn't want to write any more teenage fiction? Did she have plans to write something different, as far as you know?
 
  • #79
I'd love to know what people think about a fact that came out in court yesterday: Two unsuccessful attempts made to log into Helen's bank account on the day of her disappearance, 11th April. The first attempt made around lunch time/early afternoon (I forget the time stated) from a mobile phone and the second attempt made that evening (presumably not from a mobile as it wasn't specified), at the time that IS was out, at his son's bowls event!

This has left me baffled - what do you make of it guys?

Puzzling that - I was baffled too. Did he manage to change the standing order to £4,000 in the end?
 
  • #80
I would also like to know if they said anything about the third - successful - attempt.

This is the problem with the reporters' feeds. We are very grateful to have them, but they can't include everything and we can't tell what's just been missed out.

Precisely - there were three attempts weren't there, it would be interesting to know details of the final, presumably successful one. This second attempt to log into her account while he was out at bowls initially made me wonder could it have been someone other than IS?

I would think he used the mobile on the second attempt but they didn't say. Maybe we will hear tomorrow.

Do you remember that when he was arrested the police woman said she seized a phone? I wonder what they found on that, and indeed his laptop.
 
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