GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #4

[hunkerdown]

'Borisdog123' [emoji22]


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[mrjitty]

Mr Russell Flint QC says: “I put to you this is completely wrong, and that he never said any such thing about Helen walking down the lane with the dog.” Gill denies this. Gill is now being re-examined by prosecutor Stuart Trimmer. She confirms she picked up that there had a been a change in Stewart’s account of events as to the day Helen went missing on April 11. “He told me there was a note and that he was watching Helen walking out, and that he assumed she was going to Broadstairs That’s all he remembered. “My question was why would she leave a note if she was planning to go to Broadstairs.” Gill has now finished giving evidence.

I put it to you - LOL

Defence counsel is required to put the opposing case squarely before the witness

 

[Squamous]

Ah, DC Whalley, we've been waiting for you!

 

[hunkerdown]

Computer router had been reset

DC Whalley said: “When the router was first found there was an examination of it, which I conducted. “This looked into what records are kept on the device when power is removed, and when it is factory reset. “When power is removed from this router the logs it keeps are lost, but the wifi names and password are retained. “You wouldn’t see a record of who had connected to the router [if the power was removed]. “There were two examinations of the router altogether and data was found on it. “During the second examination, things had changed. The first examination was carried out at Broadstairs. “In the second examination, once the wireless router had been recovered from the Royston address, there were no logs present at all, and the two wifi names had been reset to factory defaults. “Simply unplugging the router will not change the name of the wifi, you would need to click a factory reset button. “There’s a very small hole at the back of the device to reset it, resetting it doesn’t happen by accident.”

Having had to do a reset in a router before - it is a fiddly job that you have to do with either a pin or similar long, thin object. This is compelling evidence of his interference...


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[neteditor]

And they could afford it. Helen was prudent and careful but happy to invest in beautiful jewellery that would hold its value. She wouldn't be talking in these figures if she thought that they couldn't afford it. He is just a .

Having used Hersh's services before, and knowing a custom design ring with high quality gems doesn't come cheap, Helen wouldn't even have considered going back there for another ring if she'd wanted something cheaper. Wonder if she assumed IS would understand that expense, or had they discussed before going the likely outlay? I think when IS was thinking the ring was too expensive, he was thinking of spending one or two thou tops. A £500 discount wouldn't have cut it!

 

[icemaiden65]

From Cambridge News site:
DC Whalley said: “When the router was first found there was an examination of it, which I conducted. “This looked into what records are kept on the device when power is removed, and when it is factory reset. “When power is removed from this router the logs it keeps are lost, but the wifi names and password are retained. “You wouldn’t see a record of who had connected to the router [if the power was removed]. “There were two examinations of the router altogether and data was found on it. “During the second examination, things had changed. The first examination was carried out at Broadstairs. “In the second examination, once the wireless router had been recovered from the Royston address, there were no logs present at all, and the two wifi names had been reset to factory defaults. “Simply unplugging the router will not change the name of the wifi, you would need to click a factory reset button. “There’s a very small hole at the back of the device to reset it, resetting it doesn’t happen by accident.”

Sorry but I'm waiting for grocery delivery any minute so can't do much of use on here but added this as soon as I spotted it. Sorry if it duplicates anything but it's pretty damning!

 

[Squamous]

I hate him so much today. I probably shouldn't be so emotional but what a nasty, nasty man. Ugh.

 

[hunkerdown]

http://www.hirshlondon.com


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[neteditor]

I'm definitely not inclined to defend IS, but if he'd been thinking about selling the router, for example, a factory reset would make sense. Of course that is my thought in isolation of the other events. Given the context, its very suspicious that he reset it just to hide it in a box at Royston.

 

[cottonweaver]

cheers hunkerdown and icemaiden

If u can't continue, just say. Am back now and happy to do another hour.

 

[Alyce]

Officer describe laptop operation

DC Whalley is now asked about when an Apple Macbook Pro laptop goes from power saving mode and comes back to life again. He said when you open the lid to the laptop it will begin to connect again to any wifi networks nearby, even when passwords to gain access to the laptop are not entered. DC Whalley also inspected another wireless router, also found at Royston, which behaved perfectly normally.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/helen-bailey-murder-trial-continues-12561885

 

[neteditor]

Erk have to go offline for a while, never get anything done otherwise. Evidence is so good today.

 

[Squamous]

I'm definitely not inclined to defend IS, but if he'd been thinking about selling the router, for example, a factory reset would make sense. Of course that is my thought in isolation of the other events. Given the context, its very suspicious that he reset it just to hide it in a box at Royston.

Yes, especially given that there were no plans to sell or move on from the Broadstairs property. They'd still need a router in that house.

 

[Alyce]

Nothing new on independent journo tweets....probably all waiting for the main event later !

 

[Alyce]

Attempts made to access Helen Bailey's PayPal account

DC Whalley is now being asked about PayPal. “There appeared to be some attempts to gain access to Helen’s PayPal account, we made inquiries. “There were records of unknown individuals attempting to gain access to these PayPal accounts using a format generally used with a mobile phone. “The IP address it came back to was an American email address, likely to be a fraudulent user who was trying their luck in effect for any PayPal account. The same IP address had tried to connect to hundreds of other PayPal accounts. DC Whalley said that there was an attempt at 8.15am on 21 April, 2016 to log into the PayPal account. There were three further attempts made on 18 April. These attempts did not relate to the IP address at the Broadstairs house, and were made by an O2 mobile phone. Neither Helen or Stewart’s phones were on the O2 network, the court is told.


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/helen-bailey-murder-trial-continues-12561885

 

[ColourPurple]

Yes, especially given that there were no plans to sell or move on from the Broadstairs property. They'd still need a router in that house.

Yes considering as far as anyone knew Helen was still alive and just wasn't at her Broadstairs property.

If she did turn up there she would be expecting the broadband to still be working. If you're worried about her not being able to contact you (So much so that you don't want to hand over your phone) then why would you remove the router from the home she might go to?

 

[ColourPurple]

Attempts made to access Helen Bailey's PayPal account

DC Whalley is now being asked about PayPal. “There appeared to be some attempts to gain access to Helen’s PayPal account, we made inquiries. “There were records of unknown individuals attempting to gain access to these PayPal accounts using a format generally used with a mobile phone. “The IP address it came back to was an American email address, likely to be a fraudulent user who was trying their luck in effect for any PayPal account. The same IP address had tried to connect to hundreds of other PayPal accounts. DC Whalley said that there was an attempt at 8.15am on 21 April, 2016 to log into the PayPal account. There were three further attempts made on 18 April. These attempts did not relate to the IP address at the Broadstairs house, and were made by an O2 mobile phone. Neither Helen or Stewart’s phones were on the O2 network, the court is told.


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/helen-bailey-murder-trial-continues-12561885

Easy enough to get a cheap O2 pay as you go sim though or to use an old phone that used teh 02 network,.

 

[cottonweaver]

DC Whalley said that there was an attempt at 8.15am on 21 April, 2016 to log into the PayPal account. There were three further attempts made on 18 April. These attempts did not relate to the IP address at the Broadstairs house, and were made by an O2 mobile phone.

Mmmm.

remember he said he transferred to O2.

He responded on June 17 by email. He said ‘Whilst I was transferring to O2 was carrying two phones. I lost my old phone, I don’t even know the number of the SIM. According to the ‘find my phone’ app, it’s off, I’m sure it will turn up’ he told us.
“He said the last place he remembers having his phone was in Cambridge.
“We never got that phone.”

 

[hunkerdown]

IS just appears more and more clueless - did he really think the police wouldn't closely look at the tech used at any of Helen's residencies?! By removing the router and factory resetting it is highly suspicious - but so stupid that he simply removed it from Broadstairs and then put it in a box in Royston!


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[Squamous]

I bet Nick and Joe have phones on O2.