GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #5

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  • #521
That is exactly what he did. Excellent observation. Makes perfect sense.

That was always such a strong contender, along with him shoving Helen and Boris into that hatch and their bodies being carried to the garage inspection cover area. No doubt it was IS who lifted that drain cover if the police hadn't done so.
 
  • #522
If it is a Barclays current account - to log in-online you need : your membership number, card number, or sort code and account number. the latter two requirements are on the actual card. So to access the account you need the debit card to hand, pin number and the PINsentry card reader to generate an 8 digit code before accessing the account. All quite fiddly if you are at all stressed......

You can use the Barclays app on your phone as a mobile pin sentry too, although you need to know the 5 digit log in to do that.
 
  • #523
If it is a Barclays current account - to log in-online you need : your membership number, card number, or sort code and account number. the latter two requirements are on the actual card. So to access the account you need the debit card to hand, pin number and the PINsentry card reader to generate an 8 digit code before accessing the account. All quite fiddly if you are at all stressed......

I had a look at a couple of our accounts the other day and found I could increase an existing standing order without using the additional gizmo. Needed gizmo to hand if I wanted to set up a totally new SO though. Have to say that neither are with Barclays BTW. And totally agree - I often get it wrong with those gizmos so gawd knows about doing it under stress!
 
  • #524
"Darling,I know you've got a terrible phobia of sewage and I know I have two able bodied sons that I could ask instead...but could you please come and help me to lift up this heavy cess pit lid so I can check the sewage levels?"


and in fact, he actually explains how he was able to do it - I used a crowbar to kind of flip it

- so , as all of us already know, no actual lifting is required
 
  • #525
He surely isn't going to suggest later on that Helen must have crowbarred it open as she was worried it was about to overflow, and fell in by accident; maybe Boris jumped in and she fell in trying to get him out, and without IS there to slide the manhole cover out of the way the cover fell back on her imprisoning her in the pit?

Yep, that was where she went to get space from him. Doon the s**tpit. :rolleyes:
 
  • #526
11:21
“There was no sinister reason for me saying don’t change the bed, or the sheets."

“There was no sinister reason for me saying don’t change the bed, or the sheets. I just didn’t want any hassle. We did have a green quilt for the bed, which we put on two or three times a week. “That’s still there, in the spare bedroom or wardrobes. “There was no sinister purpose to taking this duvet off the bed.”

Dr Afshan Kahn, GP testified that “He was finding it difficult to sleep. The records showed that he had previously used Zopiclone, and it had helped him. … In June 2005 and again on 17 August 2010, IS had been supplied with Zopiclone at a dosage of 7.5mg dispensed in 28 tablets, with one tablet to be taken each night. She also noted that he suffered from another medical condition and would have emphasised the safety advice.

They were aware of his other health complaints. Doctors always ask if you're currently taking any medications and if you're allergic to anything. So are we to assume that the other doctors never issued a warning to him? :furious:
 
  • #527
I really hope the jury are as angered by his answers as we are today. Please don't let them believe him.
 
  • #528
Dr Afshan Kahn, GP testified that “He was finding it difficult to sleep. The records showed that he had previously used Zopiclone, and it had helped him. … In June 2005 and again on 17 August 2010, IS had been supplied with Zopiclone at a dosage of 7.5mg dispensed in 28 tablets, with one tablet to be taken each night. She also noted that he suffered from another medical condition and would have emphasised the safety advice.

They were aware of his other health complaints. Doctors always ask if you're currently taking any medications and if you're allergic to anything. So are we to assume that the other doctors never issued a warning to him? :furious:
And surely if he'd have been finding it hard to sleep and then been unable to take the tablets prescribed, he'd have gone back to ask for others instead. Or did Helen taking them magically cure his sleeping problems too.
 
  • #529
So the person who avoided taking drugs unless neccessary, and who researched any drugs, decided to take a strong sleeping pill prescribed for somebody else and not mention it to her mother , even when she was trying to work out why she was falling asleep. Her poor family having to listen to this absolute guff.

In her blog she talks about having a lot of trouble sleeping. But she absolutely did not want to take prescription pills. She tried over the counter and herbal things.


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  • #530
11:24
"The sticker of shame"

Stewart is now asked about rubbish and recycling. “When we moved into the house we had a silver bin. Outside were three bins and one box. “It’s a really complicated system. “Myself and the lads got the system wrong on more than one occasion. “We’d end up with what Helen called the sticker of shame, because the binmen would refuse to empty the bins. “It worried Helen. She tended to rush out and we had to put the rubbish in the right place. “It was a crazy system, it still is. “The rubbish tip in Royston was two or three minutes drive away from home. “Over time I would go there a lot as we were having things decorated. “Helen also got rid of some of her stuff from Highgate.”

Huh. We have exactly the same system in Oz, one for household waste, one for garden refuse, one for recycling. How complicated is that. He's a complete and utter moron.
 
  • #531
Haud on a minute, whos beta blockers were they then? Hers or his? If helens she would know they make you mind numbingly exhausted. There were none in her system though eh?
 
  • #532
In her blog she talks about having a lot of trouble sleeping. But she absolutely did not want to take prescription pills. She tried over the counter and herbal things.


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It just doesn't ring true does it and if by some long shot she really had decided to take them I'd expect to see google searches looking at the interactions between zopiclone and her other herbal tablets, and searches like "day time sleeping on zopiclone". But none of her searches mentioned that drug.
 
  • #533
Isn't it a good job that John Bailey and his partner are both calm, restrained people. Some family members being put through this mockery would have launched themselves across the court, or had to leave. It really must be unbearable for them.

Look how we feel about it and then times that by 100.

ETA -and her friends too.
 
  • #534
Haud on a minute, whos beta blockers were they then? Hers or his? If helens she would know they make you mind numbingly exhausted. There were none in her system though eh?

BIB - he's saying that they were hers. He's likely making this up . We don't have any GP evidence that she had them prescribed
none in her system
 
  • #535
Visitors on the way (maybe with grapes lol)

Will have to catch up later.
 
  • #536
Nor I. Not in a million years. I don't even think anyone who was crashing would do that, and Helen was not crashing, she was sensitive and empathetic.

To the rings and everything, I wish I could do a stereotyped East End or saarf London accent to shout, "Leave it out John/Ian!" etc
 
  • #537
Thanks for all the updates and the comments!

Me and flu' still cannot think clearly, well I think I can but nothing comes of it that I would like to publish.

Still cannot get over all things ring. Using the ring of a recently deceased spouse rings like well, incest is the word that comes to mind, something too close to be healthy IMHO. Weird, very weird.
And then flipping to the other extreme with a ring that might cost 20.000 .... have we lost the middle ground or what?

I'm not surprised about all his emotions around the recent health scare (or any health scare for that matter) bowel cancer is a silent killer that may go unnoticed until it is too late.

As for all things cess pit, my pet issue, I'd have expected him to know how the entire system works, like the septic tank being an overflow or not. WHY won't they tell us?? :gaah:

But the story of IS and HB checking the level of the pit is ludicrous.
If you have an aversion to sewage PLUS a lot of money, you order the pit to be emptied every six weeks or six months if it pleases you, and every week if you are slightly mad.... but you can do whatever you like. It is a free world, the man with the tank will come around, and you are not dependent at all on for instance the system of garbage collection by the local council.

Checking the level in the pit ... no way.
 
  • #538
D*ck. If it's still there - then you'll know exactly where it is. And it would have been admitted as an exhibit.

"We did have a green quilt for the bed, which we put on two or three times a week. That’s still there, in the spare bedroom or wardrobes".

Yep, you did, but then you took it to the tip.

It's not uncommon for duvet covers to have a right side and a wrong side. No doubt the white side was that seen on the CCTV at the tip.

The cleaner was asked:

"The light green bedspread was usually on the bed. Not there that day?”

"No - only the eiderdown". (i.e. duvet minus cover)
 
  • #539
Everyone must be steaming mad today.
 
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