GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #5

[cottonweaver]

Link to yesterday's twollox from IS , for those who are coming back to the thread, I see some names in the log -ins

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-trial-partner-ian-12573132


and the preceding day with IS, first part of his testimony

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12566970


also note - no court on Friday.

 

[MillyM]

I hope we hear more about Joe and Nick today and how one of them was supposedly 'dealt with'.

 

[Moll]

There was a wonderful term for the Holy Spirit in an account on the BBC website of a C of E service conducted in Polari (trainee clergy were in trouble for it): the Fantabulosa Fairy.

I can't take that seriously in the meaning they've given it, but the Fantabulosa Fairy would fit as the inspiration for Big Bean in his pantomime story. A wicked fairy, of course.

 

[Squamous]

I don't think he was on benefits? I'm pretty sure the draconian assessments for PIP would have declared him well enough to work.

I'm still in shock that he has gone for this mad story. He's a complete lunatic to invent a story which means telling the jury he was lying the whole time to the police, to his family, in his cheesy public appeal etc. I don't think he had much of a chance but he might have had a very slim possibility if he had stuck to the story of not knowing anything concrete but being very scared of Nick and Joe, being instructed to say there was a note, hoping he was wrong and that Helen might have left of her own accord because things had gone a bit sour and they'd rowed over the ring etc. It is truly terrifying that he has invented this alternate reality and just expects everyone to believe it because the great Ian Stewart, winner of the course prize at Salford University, said it is true.

I think he will be in for a hefty sentence, I can't see any massive mitigation bar previous "good character" and there are so many aggravating factors. This and bull story is surely going to anger the judge even more. I think he may well be getting the 30 years that Helen apparently promised him.

 

[cottonweaver]

There was a wonderful term for the Holy Spirit in an account on the BBC website of a C of E service conducted in Polari (trainee clergy were in trouble for it): the Fantabulosa Fairy.

I can't take that seriously in the meaning they've given it, but the Fantabulosa Fairy would fit as the inspiration for Big Bean in his pantomime story. A wicked fairy, of course.

BIB. Well I expect we will see his true colours this afternoon - have been calling him Widow(er) Cranky.

 

[Alyce]

He's a poor sick man - did he say something yesterday about now having a hernia too? That man is a martyr to his ills! - on benefits...

Thoughts for the poor man who has to share a cell with him ( if there is one )

 

[Squamous]

Thoughts for the poor man who has to share a cell with him ( if there is one )

I hope he has a decent set of ear plugs.

 

[MillyM]

I don't think he was on benefits? I'm pretty sure the draconian assessments for PIP would have declared him well enough to work.

On "sickness pay and benefits"

 

[Alyce]

I don't think he was on benefits? I'm pretty sure the draconian assessments for PIP would have declared him well enough to work.

I'm still in shock that he has gone for this mad story. He's a complete lunatic to invent a story which means telling the jury he was lying the whole time to the police, to his family, in his cheesy public appeal etc. I don't think he had much of a chance but he might have had a very slim possibility if he had stuck to the story of not knowing anything concrete but being very scared of Nick and Joe, being instructed to say there was a note, hoping he was wrong and that Helen might have left of her own accord because things had gone a bit sour and they'd rowed over the ring etc. It is truly terrifying that he has invented this alternate reality and just expects everyone to believe it because the great Ian Stewart, winner of the course prize at Salford University, said it is true.

I think he will be in for a hefty sentence, I can't see any massive mitigation bar previous "good character" and there are so many aggravating factors. This and bull story is surely going to anger the judge even more. I think he may well be getting the 30 years that Helen apparently promised him.

That would be justice indeed.... his whining appeal about the 30 years he was owed ! paid back to him in full

 

[cottonweaver]

I don't think he was on benefits? I'm pretty sure the draconian assessments for PIP would have declared him well enough to work.

I'm still in shock that he has gone for this mad story. He's a complete lunatic to invent a story which means telling the jury he was lying the whole time to the police, to his family, in his cheesy public appeal etc.

snipped just to focus on that .
Reckon , as he must have a personality disorder, the SP is that he must maintain the persona (the Bullcrap) at all costs, his psyche or whatever, cannot deal with exposure, being seen for what he really is.

 

[Squamous]

On "sickness pay and benefits"

I think the sleuths debunked that? No way was he getting £2k a month as a single man on PIP.

 

[Duchy]

I think he may well be getting the 30 years that Helen apparently promised him.

Oh that's wonderful!

:goodpost:

 

[Tortoise]

That's my reckoning too....just long enough to be able to say they have considered the evidence.


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It'll be interesting to see if Judge Bright tells them how long they must spend in deliberation.

 

[Squamous]

It'll be interesting to see if Judge Bright tells them how long they must spend in deliberation.

I read something the other day that suggested that juries are generally sent out for a minimum of two hours but I'm not sure how accurate that is.

 

[MillyM]

Victoria Wade (@skyfieldeditor) tweeted at 10:05 AM on Thu, Feb 09, 2017:
Ian Stewart, accused of murdering author Helen Bailey is continuing his defence at St Albans Cown Court.

Victoria Wade (@skyfieldeditor) tweeted at 10:08 AM on Thu, Feb 09, 2017:
IS describing when Nick, who he claims abducted Helen, handed him his phone and he spoke to Helen Bailey telling her he loved her.

 

[MillyM]

Feed up.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-ian-12578906

 

[Squamous]

Wow, straight back in with the nuttery.

 

[MillyM]

10:15
Stewart's evidence continues - "She was alive. I spoke with her on the phone"

Stewart has taken the witness box again. He says he didn’t see Helen on Friday April 15 - the day Joe and Nick told him Helen would be back.

“Nick showed up, he handed me a phone, I said ‘hello’.

“Helen says: ‘I love you, sorry about everything.

“I said: ‘It’s not your fault. I love you too.

“She said: ‘I need my phone, it’s on my desk, give it to them and do what they say’.

“I said: ‘Where are you? He then lifted the phone off me.

“It was definitely Helen. She was alive, I was speaking with her.”

10:12
Court in session

Case has just been called on, not a seat left in the court room and extra seats have been put out for members of the press. Stewart is in the dock, wearing a pale grey shirt. We are waiting for jurors and the judge.

 

[pinklilies]

12:24
"Helen wanted the will"

Stewart is now talking about Helen’s will.

“She had this thing that if she died I was able to stay in the house and look after the boys.

“Helen wanted the will, it was nice and flexible, but there were two things she didn’t like about it in hindsight.
............
“She knew that Tony Hurley (her financial advisor) could do what he likes. She couldn’t understand why she ended up with this sort of will.

“If Tony died, I still don’t know what would have happened [to her will].
............

“It was her concern that I would be looked after, she couldn’t get it in her head that I didn’t need the money. “At one stage it was 70 per cent left to me and 30 per cent left to John Bailey (Helen’s brother).”
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/helen-bailey-murder-trial-week-12531416


"Mr Hurley told the court that when Mr Stewart told him that the couple were planning to get married, he didn’t believe him. Mr Hurley apologised to Mr Stewart in the dock as he admitted he now knew that to be true."

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2017-02-01/helen-bailey-murder-trial-continues/

The two things he says helen was worried about is really what he himself was worried about.

IS worries If Helen dies, Tony won't give him much or anything, as 'he can do what he likes' and he knows Tony doubted his intentions to marry her.
IS worries If Tony dies, he's not sure what happens with the will as he's the sole executor.

He has to have the PoA (that he doesn't fully understand) to make sure he gets everything. The slow drugging isn't working, she won't go to the doctors like he's told her to (hopefully doctor will say she's not capable of managing her life) she can't be found dead, dumped anywhere as he thinks Tony might not honour him anything from the Will so in his mind she has to go missing and never found.
This is my speculative theory. For today anyway.

 

[MillyM]

10:17
'I told Nick Helen's brother was looking for her'

“Nick took the phone back from me. He said: ‘Go and find the phone’ so we looked everywhere in the house.

“Nick was getting agitated. I didn’t actually find Helen’s phone.

“Nick asked had anyone asked for Helen?

“I said her brother John and her friends, I said John had gone down to Broadstairs to see if Helen was there. And that he wanted to phone the police.”