GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #7

[Interested Bystander]

They have been out a long time, I wonder what the problem is, if any?

Remind me, when did IS say he last saw Helen?

2.45pm on 11th April

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...2QjHeBqfgSUbUYr1A&bvm=bv.147134024,bs.2,d.d24

 

[BlueMosaic]

Back in August 2016 after we found out Helen and Boris had been found, I got in touch with Boris's breeder who Helen had remained friends with. We will be having a pup from her in memory of both Helen and Boris and his name will be Bailey as a memorial not only to Helen but also for her family who have shown incredible strength and dignity under such devastating circumstances. He hasn't been born yet but we are hoping we will have him by June this year. He will carry the same bloodlines as Boris [emoji173]


That is so good to hear and may your Hound bring you much joy. My youngest, who is still trying to shake off ME/chronic fatigue, would love a dachshund. I noticed the name of the lady from whom Helen had had Boris from the report of the Royston dog walk and looked her up. I like the fact that they (her husband and her) are not "intensive" dog breeders. Maybe one day (we are up the road nearer Cambridge).

 

[michelle230]

Didn`t manage in today but doesn`t look like I missed too much although that last statement was a tiny bit worrying as in the first small spanner in the works!
I can`t possibly see how it could be true - not saying in any way that the witness was deliberately untruthful but maybe more in a misguided "moment of fame"/ trying to be "helpful" way?
I, myself would make a pretty lousy witness as I can be unobservant as in e.g. describing colours of clothes, clearly observed descriptions of people etc unless I am actually on a mission and focused for a purpose. I think someone here said that some people have a photographic memory..but most of us don`t. And some people just want to be very obligingly helpful and perhaps can talk themselves into "being sure..." Not deliberately of course.
On a balance of scales it runs directly in the face of all the other overwhelming evidence.

 

[T41]

It was Alyce, here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...yston-11-April-2016-7&p=13143241#post13143241

ETA: They may also have been referring to 6th form college, which could be at any Cambs school. It would be more likely to have an inset day at a 6th Form College than not, I would say (being the daughter and sister of teachers!)

I did attend this morning and the establishment was named and that it had checked out.

 

[jenspired]

Back in August 2016 after we found out Helen and Boris had been found, I got in touch with Boris's breeder who Helen had remained friends with. We will be having a pup from her in memory of both Helen and Boris and his name will be Bailey as a memorial not only to Helen but also for her family who have shown incredible strength and dignity under such devastating circumstances. He hasn't been born yet but we are hoping we will have him by June this year. He will carry the same bloodlines as Boris [emoji173]


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This is so lovely it made me cry. Wonderful name too. I've ordered a little Daschund ornament for on my piano. I think there will be a lot of Boris memorials around the country/world ❤

Oh what a tangled web we weave

 

[Alyce]

Remind me, when did IS say he last saw Helen?

He had a few variations on that

Saw her standing at the dining room window, with Boris, waving him off to Surgery ( that would be about 2.45pm )

Saw her walking up the road with Boris - also about 2.45pm

 

[T41]

I did attend this morning and the establishment was named and that it had checked out.

In that it had been checked out that the college was open on that day. Not sure if registers are taken.

 

[cottonweaver]

Here's some dates for a Cambridgeshire College for 2016 - which bears out what you say Loz....an inset day ( training ) on April 11




Summer term 2016
Training Day Monday 11 April 2016
Summer Term Tuesday 12 April


http://www.abbeycollege.cambs.sch.uk/index.php/weekly-updates/term-dates-2015-16-2016-17

^ Bumping this back up now that I re-located it , so it's near T41's post. ( No idea if daughter Richards went to any of these colleges I s'pose?)

ETA _ cross posted with all your new comments on this topic.

 

[Moll]

In that it had been checked out that the college was open on that day. Not sure if registers are taken.

That's the trouble, not everything is reported and we can spend ages on details that aren't at issue.

 

[michelle230]

BTW apologies if this has already been posted but it was suggested to IS yesterday by Mr T that Helen could well have mentioned going to the doctor to discuss her over tiredness and falling asleep. He put it to IS that the doctor would have run blood tests as a matter of course tests and then of course the drugs in her system would have shown up.
Also (apologies again if already been posted) he discussed with IS his statement about making Helen her scrambled eggs breakfast. Mr T put it to him that at that time of course it didn`t really matter that he`d given this fact in his statement.
However, now it was a different matter in light of the findings, and therefore suddenly IS had to change his story (please remember that this poor guy is confused and his head is all over the place lol) about making her breakfast that morning.

 

[Cherwell]

That's the trouble, not everything is reported and we can spend ages on details that aren't at issue.

Indeed, this is a big pitfall on WS generally. People thinking they have done some very clever detective work, and in a way they have, but it is usually something already known by the police but not made public.

 

[LozDa]

BTW apologies if this has already been posted but it was suggested to IS yesterday by Mr T that Helen could well have mentioned going to the doctor to discuss her over tiredness and falling asleep. He put it to IS that the doctor would have run blood tests as a matter of course tests and then of course the drugs in her system would have shown up.
Also (apologies again if already been posted) he discussed with IS his statement about making Helen her scrambled eggs breakfast. Mr T put it to him that at that time of course it didn`t really matter that he`d given this fact in his statement.
However, now it was a different matter in light of the findings, and therefore suddenly IS had to change his story (please remember that this poor guy is confused and his head is all over the place lol) about making her breakfast that morning.

His head was all over the place? If only he had mentioned that, we might all have understood why he's so sure of what happened, excepting the times where things don't add up. If only he had mentioned it, Michelle!

:laughing:

 

[BlueMosaic]

New here. Hello!

Just to pop in another Cambridge college term dates and they were indeed back on the Monday.

"Spring Term 2016Summer Term 2016Autumn Term 2016 TERM DATES
Monday 4th January – Thursday 24th March)(Half term: Monday 15th-Friday 19th February)Monday 11th April – Wednesday 20th July)
(Half term: Monday 30th May – Friday 3rd June)Friday 26th August - Friday 16th December(Half term Monday 24th – Friday 28th October) "

No mention of an inset day. http://www.hillsroad.ac.uk/docs/default-source/default-document-library/calendar15-16.pdf

The police/lawyers must have been told which college she attends/attended. Not impossible for Hills but quite a way.

 

[Florrie]

The witnesses today don't help IS at all do they?

As far as I can see they just muddy the waters slightly regarding what time Helen was murdered. Helen and Boris are still dead, their bodies were in the cesspit on the property and the Chuckle Brothers aka NiJo are figments of IS imagination.


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[Cherwell]

The witnesses today don't help IS at all do they?

As far as I can see they just muddy the waters slightly regarding what time Helen was murdered. Helen and Boris are still dead, their bodies were in the cesspit on the property and the Chuckle Brothers aka NiJo are figments of IS imagination.

Exactly.

 

[Alyce]

Curiouser and curiouser...Unless she is a psycho too, would admittedly be strange for her to make a mistake if she has double checked with the hairdresser re. date/time. :thinking:

Be interesting to know

1. When she checked this info with the hairdresser ? how long after April ?
2. Does she go there every week ?
3. Do the hairdressers remove cancelled appointments ? If they have a whizzy screen system, then yes, if they use a paper system, then perhaps not.

 

[TheRisenBishop]

Oh totally agree. I've always been dubious about his particular degree of severity/remission , never disputed he was diagnosed with it.
I do think his condition must be worse at the moment though, since incarceration, stress and tiredness are said to be factors in exacerbating it.

That said, maybe Bishop can tell us whether his type of psycho experiences stress in the way most people do? I really don't know

Hi CW, this is a really interesting question. Not in how MG and it's associated physical stress affects his behaviour but more how psychopaths in general thrive on stress.

Most of us cannot fathom how Stewart can place himself in a seemingly chaotic maelstrom of lies and fantasy in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. But this innate ability of non-violent psychopaths is what makes them more effective under stress than non-psychopaths and why they make great lawyers, doctors, intelligence officers and soldiers.

They possess an ability to, as the heat goes up, to turn their internal emotional temperature down. The crazier things get, the cooler they feel. Stewart almost craves the chaos and senselessness that is anathema to us. He seems to attract it, cultivate it, encourage it, because it’s the only thing that somehow soothes him.

What you find is that the more chaotic a situation, the more that psychopaths have to make decisions under pressure, the better their decision-making gets. The more the pressure builds, the cooler they get; at least in their own perception of things. This is why so many appear to us to be arrogant and confrontational. They aren't actually - but it's counter intuitive, they cannot help but act like this because the ensuing pressure actually "soothes" them and enables them to think more clearly.

That's why I said the other day I really wanted Trimmer to put him under pressure to see how he reacted to tell which end of the APD spectrum he sat. A dead give away was the way he handled the introduction of Nick and Joe to the courtroom. He was almost serenely composed afterwards in his reaction and responses.

Note how under increasing pressure from Trimmer he changes tactics and chooses not to answer, then bites back when he is able. Note also how this appears on the day he murdered Helen. How he interwove the days events into his normal routine and seemingly acted without anyone noticing the ordinary signs you or I would in that situation. Most people would be hyper on adrenaline and then afterwards exhibit exhaustion later in the day.

He attended a bowls tournament and had a Chinese and never gave a single signal to his sons, who knew him well, that something was amiss. In fact it was the opposite - he seemed to thrive on the events following Helen's murder. He was in complete control throughout and had he not made the fatal error of allowing Helen's phone to connect to the router at Broadstairs non of us would be any the wiser.

He is getting off on the stress of this trial, it's soothing him, engaging him, salving him. The drama and stress of the cancer scare and MG would also give him a similar satisfaction. Psychopaths are a truly amazing breed and so different from you or I. It just happens that he is one of the incredibly rare psychopaths that chooses to kill.

 

[cottonweaver]

Indeed, this is a big pitfall on WS generally. People thinking they have done some very clever detective work, and in a way they have, but it is usually something already known by the police but not made public.

Mr Fossil though was a case in point.

 

[Alyce]

who had the INSET training day link for the college so I can compare it with T41's post.

Don't want to include that in the email if T41 is absolutely right.

Welcome T41

It was me but it was just a link to a college in Cambridge - we dont know which one Catherine Richards went to,


just editing to say that I can see T41 has updated us with info from Court - many tks and :welcome:

 

[T41]

The police/lawyers must have been told which college she attends/attended. Not impossible for Hills but quite a way.

I should have just stated the establishment was named and that the term dates had checked out at the time but had been trying to protect the witness from being identified but as she no longer attends the college anyway I've later decided it was not something to worry about.

Essentially don't worry about whether college was open or not. It was.
The only question related to the college was whether the daughter attended on that day.