GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #7

[cottonweaver]

Historical weather data shows no rain on April 11th.

https://www.wunderground.com/histor...eqdb.zip=00000&reqdb.magic=41&reqdb.wmo=03571

is that with the postcode too LozDa?

 

[Alyce]

So, if she is driving back from the hairdressers she is on the opposite side of the road to Helen - how slow was she going to take all this in with the clothing ?

 

[snoopydog]

Some people are so observant. I never notice what strangers are wearing, unless it is something that stands out as unusual.

I know there are people with photographic memories but if you didn't know you would be asked to describe something much later on, at least a week later, I fail to see what would have made seeing Helen and what she was wearing stand out in her memory. If you'd seen a crime being committed that is different.

Well I had those weirdos at my door last night and I couldn't tell you what they were wearing. I could only tell you the woman was blonde and rough and the man looked like mr magoo


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[Alyce]

I wonder what those notices on the gates of H Lodge are? The images are dated August 2016. Wish I could zoom in. I'm so nosey.

The only one I could read said Danger Keep Out

 

[LozDa]

is that with the postcode too LozDa?

It wasn't, but I've done it again with the postcode and it remains the same result.

 

[Cherwell]

So wait, this woman was driving past in a car?

 

[neteditor]

Some people are so observant. I never notice what strangers are wearing, unless it is something that stands out as unusual.

I know there are people with photographic memories but if you didn't know you would be asked to describe something much later on, at least a week later, I fail to see what would have made seeing Helen and what she was wearing stand out in her memory. If you'd seen a crime being committed that is different.

The trouble with witnesses is they are at it too. That's why they are unreliable. When a girl was abducted from my village as a child the police spent weeks looking for a red saloon that she was seen fighting the driver of as he pushed her in. Turned out the killer was actually driving a white van.

 

[cottonweaver]

how frustrating - it was just getting interesting again!

I'd cued up prosecution, about to wheel in mystery monochrome woman "wearing a stone or beige pair of trousers and a shirt of the same colour". ( Joking)

 

[neteditor]

The only one I could read said Danger Keep Out

Probably because of the cess pit being left dug out?

 

[Alyce]

As a previous dog owner I can´t recognize people if they walk without their dog, since mine died there are plenty of people who stopped saying hello bcs of no dog, so are there other dachshounds in that area or similar looking I wonder

Am sure there are others...there is a picture of Helen that I have seen - somewhere - and she is walking on the Heath with Boris and two other dogs, they all look remarkably similar

 

[Tortoise]

So, if she is driving back from the hairdressers she is on the opposite side of the road to Helen - how slow was she going to take all this in with the clothing ?

And the rain on her window too

 

[LozDa]

It wasn't, but I've done it again with the postcode and it remains the same result.

Just to confirm this; this is the link using the Post Code: https://www.wunderground.com/histor...qdb.zip=00000&reqdb.magic=147&reqdb.wmo=03571

 

[neteditor]

I'm going to surmise that the next defence witnesses were not available for court this afternoon.

 

[Tortoise]

The only one I could read said Danger Keep Out

NO bloody WONDER. Look who lived there.

 

[cottonweaver]

Angela John. ( in one so we don't have to scroll back and forth)
The next witness will be Angela John. Mrs John made a statement to police on April 27 relating to Helen Bailey, who she believed to be missing. “I had seen Helen walking the dog on the main road where she lived in Royston on numerous occasions once a month, then I saw a newspaper article saying who she was. “I didn’t even know where she lived at this time. “There was an article in the Royston Crow with a picture of her when her latest book came out, and I thought ‘oh that’s the lady who walks the dachshund’. “Once I found out she was an author I was going to ask her for pointers for my grandchild but I never saw her again.”

“About a year/18 months ago I saw Helen up by the fire station further up the road from where we live with a tall thin man. She seemed quite animated with him, quite happy. They both had raincoats on. He was very smart.”

“The day I last saw Helen Bailey was April 11, in the afternoon, between 3.40pm and 3.50pm. “I saw her about 20/30 foot away from her house gate. The dog on a lead was with her. “Her neighbour had a very tall wooden fence erected, Helen was silhouetted against that. “As I was approaching her I thought ‘Oh that’s Helen I haven’t seen her in ages’. “Then I thought she would get wet as it started drizzling. “There was no doubt it was Helen and her dog, and no doubt it was April 11. “There was no doubt the time was 3.40pm to 3.50pm.”

cross examined by the prosecution
Mrs John is now being cross examined by the prosecution. She admits that she became aware there was a missing person’s inquiry - and police did a door to door inquiry. “I said yes I thought I had seen Helen, then a police officer came to get a statement.” Mrs Jones confirms she had seen Helen any number of times walking along the road. Prosecutor Stuart Trimmer asks: “You first spoke to police, then they came back to take a statement?” Mrs John: “Yes, they haven’t been back since.”

Witness had not seen Helen wearing that type of clothing before
Mrs John said Helen was wearing a stone or beige pair of trousers and a shirt of the same colour when she saw the author on April 11. Trimmer: “You’d never seen Helen on a similar occasion wearing clothes like that?” Mrs John: “No”

Trimmer: “You’re used to dog walkers there because it’s near a heath?”
Mrs John: “Yes”
Trimmer: “But on this occasion this person you saw was walking in a determined fashion?”
Mrs John: “Yes”
Trimmer: “Putting her hands through her hair?” Mrs John: “Yes. This made me look even more carefully whether it was Helen or not.”

Trimmer: “Is there a danger this could be the Monday previous?” Mrs John: “I don’t think so, as far as I’m concerned it was in the afternoon on Monday April 11.” Trimmer: “The way in which you appear to be fixing the way you saw Helen Bailey is either by going to the Building Society or the hairdressers, but it may not be on that occasion that you saw her, it may be on the Tuesday?” Mrs John: “No, I never normally going to Royston in the afternoon. It was unusual circumstances that I had to go to the hairdressers on Monday afternoon”

Trimmer: “Why can’t it be the week before that you saw Helen, when you went to the Building Society [on Monday April 4]?” Mrs John: “Because I normally walk to Royston, but this time I used the car because it was raining.”

Mrs John is now being re-examined by the defence.
Defence barrister Simon Russell Flint: “When you saw Helen Bailey what had you been doing before?”
Mrs John: “I’d been to the hairdressers, I went and got that confirmed with the hairdressers. “When I went to the Building Society last I walked there.” “It was April 11 - from 3.40pm to 3.50pm - when I last saw Helen Bailey. There are no doubts in my mind.”
Mrs John is asked by the judge when she previously used her car to drive into Royston, before April 11.
Mrs John replies: “No idea”.

 

[Moll]

“Once I found out she was an author I was going to ask her for pointers for my grandchild but I never saw her again.”

I'm glad poor Helen escaped that conversation, at least.

 

[Tortoise]

Well I think those weather reports should be emailed to the prosecutor.

 

[Interested Bystander]

I don't know whether any of you are familiar with Wunderground (a worldwide weather recording facility). I searched for Royston Hertfordshire but the nearest I could get was for Cambridge. This may make what I am about to tell you of no use.

There was no rain in Cambridge on 11th April 2016!

The link I give below is the detailed historical conditions for the day in question. I will try to see if I can find a weather station nearer to Royston and try to obtain appropriate data.

https://www.wunderground.com/histor...reqdb.zip=00000&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=03571


OOPS I HAVE JUST SEEN THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED. APOLOGIES!

 

[snoopydog]

The only witness today who was accurate was the first one. These women are talking rubbish. No one can say WITHOUT DOUBT when recalling an event that far in the past unless you were directly involved in the event and it was significant enough for you to retain the information. Also not being cheeky but helen wasn't exactly a distinctive looking woman in respect she had brown hair and a normal build. Loads of people look the same... These last 2 witnesses might 'believe' they saw helen on the 11th but with all the other evidence I'm certain they didn't.


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[Rayemonde]

Needless to say the Neurologist has a wealth of book learned skill and patient feedback but never having suffered from the disease he is not quite the expert one expects him to be. He can only generalise. There are physical, neurological markers and antibody levels that will tell them quite a lot but they can never really know how the patient feels and I think it would be fair to say that we all function at different levels. I was self medicating (even when in hospital) because I was the only one who knew exactly how I felt. It is not often one hears that a patient in hospital is given the drugs and then told to use them when they feel it is appropriate.

Whatever I post here makes no difference to the fact that he would have been able to murder and dispose of HB and I am sure he did. He would only need to gauge when his 'medically induced' strength was at its best.

I hope you don't feel like anyone's saying that everyone with MG who can't work is just malingering, or lazy. I think it's just that once people see that someone is a tremendous liar, they start assuming that every single thing they say is a lie. So if IS says he is weak and tired and can't work because of his MG, people assume he's lying. I think it's pretty obvious that a medical condition that can make a person so weak that they can barely breathe is a serious condition and may prevent that person from working. People just aren't convinced that it's true in IS's case.