GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #8

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  • #161
This will only mean something to the few of you who have made it to court. There's a particularly notorious member of the public attending this trial, she practically lives at St Albans Crown Court, that is to say: turns up every day, 365 days a year because she has nothing else to do. Dressed head to toe in black, she barges her way to the front even when there are people standing in front of her, she has absolutely no respect for anybody. She thinks that she's the queen of the public gallery.
:gaah:

Anyway, the short of it is, she is a former jailbird herself :jail: and she was given a ten year ASBO for harassing her neighbour over a 20 year period including scratching his car, slashing his tyres, blocking him from getting out of his garage, training CCTV on his house, singing the Lord's Prayer at him, slapping her arse in front of him, and smearing **** on his house. :scared: The ASBO is due to expire so I do feel sorry for her poor old neighbour. Here, read for yourself any of the reputable national and local news sites who reported this at the time. And next time you're talking to her outside the courtroom on breaks, have the above mental image of her in your mind!
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=josie+edwards+hemel+hempstead

Ah now that is interesting. I said to my family last night that there was a woman I got stuck with outside the court who was JUST like talking to Claire, my MIL 15 years ago. The repeating of a story over and over, the feeling hard done by, the "i hate this and that person". MIL lives in Canada and we eventually had to change our house telephone number and give her a dedicated mobile number as she would leave extremely long offensive messages. The mobile we could turn off and my husband used software to turn speech messages to text so that it would not be so hard on him to read. She had paranoias and fantasies (mafia/police/people who had done wrong to her) and many conflicts with neighbours, gradually losing all friends. We are in the UK so not able to keep an eye. She got sectioned a couple of times and elderly social care involved before she was finally hospitalised after a stroke so no longer able to walk and is now in a secure home in her town. She has no family other than us and she will live for years in her dementia affected mind with no visitors as we have no money to visit her. My husband says there is no point even if we had the money as she doesn't know us anymore (he went over a couple of years ago when she first moved into the care home, was telephoning weekly for a while but cannot do that, she has no idea who she is (possibly hearing affected too?)). It is horrific really and although I obviously feel sorry for her neighbours and people she is upsetting I think I can see her future. Maybe she does too. One of the most upsetting phone calls my husband took from his mum was that she was scared. I think she knew she was losing it.

Not excusing behaviour but trying to understand made it easier for us.
 
  • #162
IMHO this last evidence indicates that HB probably disappeared of her own free will, and that Nick and Joe were aware of this and abused this knowledge to extort money from IS. They also convinced HB to say a few words to IS over the phone, suggesting to HB that this would prevent IS from looking for her, and to IS that they were holding her captive.

It must be obvious by now that Nick and Joe are in fact the Nick and Joe who were presented at Court.

I rest my case.

:websleuther:

There's a huge hole in your case... how did Nick & Joe know she'd run away before IS did (he didn't invent the note until the next day.

Otherwise I'd say your case is almost as water tight as the defence's :happydance:
 
  • #163
There's a huge hole in your case... how did Nick & Joe know she'd run away before IS did (he didn't invent the note until the next day.

Otherwise I'd say your case is almost as water tight as the defence's :happydance:

Nick and Joe must have been watching from outside the house in a Range Rover. In fact, I'm pretty sure they gave her the Range Rover to drive down Charlotte Street and back before she left on the train.
 
  • #164
There's a huge hole in your case... how did Nick & Joe know she'd run away before IS did (he didn't invent the note until the next day.

Otherwise I'd say your case is almost as water tight as the defence's :happydance:

It appears to also overlook the fact that Helen ended up dead...

But otherwise, amazing detective work.


I'm still tickled at Nick wanting "compensation" like something off an Injury Lawyers 4U advert.
 
  • #165
So....what do you think......guilty or not guilty?
 
  • #166
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12606434

11:18
'Helen appeared to be on her own'

T: “This is what you said to police ‘Helen appeared to be in the car on her own’.”
F: “Yes.”
T: “When you were telling this to police, you were trying to be as helpful as possible?!
F: “Yes.”
T: “You said she was driving at 20mph, ‘we didn’t have eye contact at any time’, ‘I cannot state what road she drove along’.”
F: “That’s right.”
T: “You said ‘I only had her in my view for a few seconds’.”
F: “Yes that’s right.”
T: “So if we summarise it, we don’t know when this was, it could be March, April or May?”
F: “Yes.”
T: “We think there’s no one else in the car with her, but it’s definitely a back 4x4 car?”
F: “Yes.”
T: “Are you saying it is a Range Rover, or a black 4x4?”
F: “I thought it was a Range Rover.”
T: “Or a Discovery?”
F: “Yes.”
T: “Or a BMW X5?”
F: “No, it definitely wasn’t that.”


I might have missed it but has IS ever said what car Joe & Nick drove?

Surprised he hasnt said it was a black 4x4 if he knew about this witness.

ETA OOPS JUST SEEN THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE'S DONE LOL
 
  • #167
Morning all........who is next ?
 
  • #168
The defence KNOW there "is no defence". They know he is guilty and are producing just enough of a defence to ensure they can say he has had a fair trial. I agree with whoever said (think it was Tortoise) further back that they don't want him walking the streets ever again either.




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  • #169
I might have missed it but has IS ever said what car Joe & Nick drove?

Surprised he hasnt said it was a black 4x4 if he knew about this witness.

Think he did - when he first spoke about 'Joe' coming to the house and parking in front of the house! Said it was a dark coloured Range Rover I think?


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  • #170
So....what do you think......guilty or not guilty?

Before the defence, I thought he was Guilty. After the defence, I'd bet my mother, my nieces, my father and every single last penny I own that he's Guilty.
 
  • #171
I might have missed it but has IS ever said what car Joe & Nick drove?

Surprised he hasnt said it was a black 4x4 if he knew about this witness.

Yes! He said dark coloured range rover. Tailoring.
 
  • #172
Wonder why they didn't have Mr Farmer on yesterday? There was plenty of time. At this rate the jury will be out before Monday. I can't think that the defence can spin out its closing argument for very long.
 
  • #173
Word on the street is the police computer expert is going to be recalled.
 
  • #174
Wonder why they didn't have Mr Farmer on yesterday? There was plenty of time. At this rate the jury will be out before Monday. I can't think that the defence can spin out its closing argument for very long.

He probably couldnt' make it to court. Happens a fair bit.
 
  • #175
Think he did - when he first spoke about 'Joe' coming to the house and parking in front of the house! Said it was a dark coloured Range Rover I think?


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Amazing how the description is identical eh? Almost like it was said just to fit a bit of evidence that would come up later...

Hunkerdown - I hope you, among the others on here who knew Helen, get to witness the justice that Helen & Boris deserve x
 
  • #176
So....what do you think......guilty or not guilty?

Don't think not guilty is even an option in this case. I'm surprised we didn't get a few more defence witnesses, maybe someone who saw IS eating a cheese and onion pasty in greggs one day and a pharmacist from when IS bought some gaviscon oh and let's not forget the guy who was driving past their house and saw two men who looked like Nintendo mario and luigi looking shifty outside. [emoji1303]

IS is F@&Ked I reckon. Unless there's some total dummies in the jury I think he's going DOWN. [emoji1303]


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  • #177
Amazing how the description is identical eh? Almost like it was said just to fit a bit of evidence that would come up later...

Hunkerdown - I hope you, among the others on here who knew Helen, get to witness the justice that Helen & Boris deserve x

I really hope so. Thank you.


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Wonder why they didn't have Mr Farmer on yesterday? There was plenty of time. At this rate the jury will be out before Monday. I can't think that the defence can spin out its closing argument for very long.

He didn't turn up and the judge told defence to make sure he turned up today and that he (the judge) does have powers to compel people to give evidence in court even if they don't want to and that he (judge again) was prepared to invoke those powers.
 
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