GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #9

[DollyDiamond]

I’m sure there will be some of the jurors who do not get £2000 a month net whilst working so having to judge a lying devious excuse for a person who gets that amount whilst sitting on their pile infested arse will colour their judgement. It shouldn’t but it will!!

I agree - I hope when RF was pointing out in his defence summing up that IS had plenty of dosh and therefore didn't need to murder Helen for her money it only dug his client a bigger hole. Because the fact IS was well off only makes his greed all the more shocking and appalling!

 

[ColourPurple]

I've been wondering how he accrued £163,000 in his bank accounts as he has not worked for all those years.

Other than his MG and the BMW which could be lease hire I haven't seen is any evidence of him splashing out on anything so maybe he was a tight arse and saved the majority of his 2k a month plus the money he got when his wife died. Faced with the prospect of paying out 14k on rings plus a wedding it looks like he preferred to kill Helen knowing that eventually that would add her funds to his bank balance too. The 4k standing order would help out in the meantime.

 

[neteditor]

Thank you neteditor........arsegrapes ......you made me laugh so much, this guy has been playing the poor me for 20 years what a ****[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

I should probably credit Viz magazine here. All my piles terminology comes from there

 

[ColourPurple]

When we first heard in evidence about IS' £7k compensation from the leisure centre door incident, it explained a lot in my eyes. It was his first taste of a big cash payout - money for nothing - he was a young man and back then £7k was a considerable sum. I feel this big windfall set the template for his future life ambitions. To have big payouts land in his lap without working for them. And to seek out ways to achieve this by ruthlessly manipulating other people's perceptions of him.

By the age of 56 he had been incredibly successful in this respect. A house worth nearly half a million plus a sizeable sum in the bank, £2k a month without doing a stroke of work and a millionairess fiance into the bargain. If he hadn't murdered Helen and simultaneously pressed the self destruct button, his life would have been a remarkable success story of minimum effort for maximum reward!

I agree.It was also the first time he realised accident or illness could pay.

 

[Alyce]

Also I would also imagine it will be not lost on the jury just how he managed to get a monthly income of nearly 2 grand whilst unemployed.

This is a man who seems not to have worked since his mid-thirties due to ‘ill health’ so hardly time to build up a pension pot. At best he’s only going to get a minimal amount on any investments at today’s rates so has he been fiddling welfare on the grounds of his ‘illness’ despite a doctor saying he is essentially fit and healthy. Questions should be asked!!!

Agree....I do wish we had a breakdown of this monthly income. I wonder if a journo will talk about it , in post trial articles.

 

[Belgarion]

Other than his MG and the BMW which could be lease hire I haven't seen is any evidence of him splashing out on anything so maybe he was a tight arse and saved the majority of his 2k a month plus the money he got when his wife died. Faced with the prospect of paying out 14k on rings plus a wedding it looks like he preferred to kill Helen knowing that eventually that would add her funds to his bank balance too. The 4k standing order would help out in the meantime.

Classic case of not actually needing the money but was driven by just wanting more and in this case all to himself

 

[DollyDiamond]

I've just had a thought - aren't benefits means tested? Was he entitled to claim them, with all that money sitting in the bank?

 

[MissTwiddle]

Regarding the £2,000 per month. Maybe a chunk of it was from his first wife's pension. A woman I know gets a healthy monthly figure due to her husband passing away in his early 50's. he wasn't retirement age and neither is she so it's down to the type of pension fund she had. My friend's husband worked for the civil service and died around 3 years ago.


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[Alyce]

If it can kick in in as little as 20 minutes I wonder how he knew it wouldnt affect her till after she'd taken Boris a walk or did he give it her after the walk?

Am guessing he waited until after her walk...she was back before 10am - so plenty of time to dose her up before 11am

also, didnt we hear somewhere that he didnt usually surface until about 10am

 

[MissTwiddle]

Also, some widows pensions stop if you get married


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[snoopydog]

I've just had a thought - aren't benefits means tested? Was he entitled to claim them, with all that money sitting in the bank?

Some aren't like severe disability. Not sure what it's called now but it was the one where you can get a mobility car. It wasn't means tested


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[Cherwell]

I wouldn't rule out a lottery win to account for some of his money. A fair number of people do win sizeable sums on the various lottery games and scratchcards, and most are anonymous. There's Premium Bonds too.

 

[ZaZara]

Catching up .... thank you for all the updates and comments!

:tyou: :tyou:


This is going well, plus all my cesspit questions have been answered: septic tank is an overflow for the cesspit, and IS would have no need to have the cesspit emptied at all.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12627822
12.31
“It was now realised the cess pit in the garden was intended to take the overflow of the cess pit from the garage. “

Eat that, mr RF! Eat it ALL!

 

[faybradshaw]

Do you think we'll see a picture of him in court after the verdict? Would like to see if there is a change in him since the pics of Helen and him together were taken - I'm hoping he has aged considerably and signs of strain are visible since his arrest.

 

[ColourPurple]

I've just had a thought - aren't benefits means tested? Was he entitled to claim them, with all that money sitting in the bank?

Nope disability ones aren't. It sounds like he probably started claiming Disability Living Allowance years ago when he was seriously ill and then just never stopped and slipped through the net. Or it's possible he was awarded a lifetime award and didn't need to be reassessed. It was mentioned before that DLA is in the process of being replaced by PIP Personal Independence Payments and that everybody on DLA, including those with lifetime awards are receiving letters to be reasessed for PIP. It's possible he'd received a letter like that and that any DLA income was under threat. We haven't heard that though in court.

On top of that he seems to have some kind of work based pension from having to stop working due to ill health.

 

[ColourPurple]

Am guessing he waited until after her walk...she was back before 10am - so plenty of time to dose her up before 11am

also, didnt we hear somewhere that he didnt usually surface until about 10am

She usually did the walk after breakfast though so if he gave it her after the walk it wasnt hidden in breakfast.

Maybe he'd just done enough trial runs to know when it usually started to kick in

 

[Alyce]

Just doing some very basic calculations.

He had £163,000 or thereabouts

Let's say
£50,000 from sale of his property in Bassingbourn, that Helen told him to keep
£43,000 or thereabouts from his wife's money - unclaimed as yet but surely is counted in his total assets

leaves £70,000 .......

Assuming his finances were investigated sometime last year - September ? after he had been arrested and charged, this would mean it was just over 3 years since he moved into Hartwell Lodge. My guess is that he didnt pay a penny more than he had to in terms of household costs once he moved there.
So the majority of his almost £2,000 per month could have been building up in his accounts - over three years this would reach a figure in the region of £72,000.

But allowing that he must have spent some of the above money - on himself of course ( lasers dont come cheap ) there must have been money coming in from somewhere else. I do hope he is investigated thoroughly

 

[Alyce]

Other than his MG and the BMW which could be lease hire I haven't seen is any evidence of him splashing out on anything so maybe he was a tight arse and saved the majority of his 2k a month plus the money he got when his wife died. Faced with the prospect of paying out 14k on rings plus a wedding it looks like he preferred to kill Helen knowing that eventually that would add her funds to his bank balance too. The 4k standing order would help out in the meantime.

Re the BMW - we don't know for sure but my bet is that Helen funded this.
Wasn't there a comment re them ( for them, read Helen) buying the BMW so that Helen had a larger car that she would feel more comfortable driving...but after a few spins round a car park , she didn't drive it any more.
At which point, IS probably took it over and ditched his battered Mondeo.

 

[DollyDiamond]

Nope disability ones aren't. It sounds like he probably started claiming Disability Living Allowance years ago when he was seriously ill and then just never stopped and slipped through the net. Or it's possible he was awarded a lifetime award and didn't need to be reassessed. It was mentioned before that DLA is in the process of being replaced by PIP Personal Independence Payments and that everybody on DLA, including those with lifetime awards are receiving letters to be reasessed for PIP. It's possible he'd received a letter like that and that any DLA income was under threat. We haven't heard that though in court.

On top of that he seems to have some kind of work based pension from having to stop working due to ill health.

Regarding the benefit aspect, as with so many issues around this man I find it disgusting that he has seemingly been receiving this money for years, no questions asked, while we read of tragic cases of suicide when deserving people have had their eligibility reassessed and their monies withdrawn.

Grrr this man seems to have spent his entire life getting away with things - and I feel sure we don't even know the half of it! It was perhaps inevitable he would eventually get caught out, but how tragic that Helen and Boris had to lose their lives before it happened.

 

[ColourPurple]

Re the BMW - we don't know for sure but my bet is that Helen funded this.
Wasn't there a comment re them ( for them, read Helen) buying the BMW so that Helen had a larger car that she would feel more comfortable driving...but after a few spins round a car park , she didn't drive it any more.
At which point, IS probably took it over and ditched his battered Mondeo.

Ah yes there was something about buying an automatic