Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #4

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  • #381
This is my first post so I apologise in advance for any faux pas I may make.

I’ve lurked over the years but signed up so I could join in the discussion on this case. I honestly can’t believe the lack of national interest in this case. Especially when compared to the huge media coverage of Claudia Lawrence to which it bares striking resemblances.

There’s several possibilities

. She disappeared of her own accord - unlikely IMO that she would successfully manage to vanish with no resources available to her. How would she be sustaining herself after 2 yrs? It’s impossible to be earning and paying rent ‘on the books’ without being found by a police search. There’s a slim possibility she’s been earning cash in hand and paying all bills cash, but how likely is that?

. She took her own life - it’s very hard to take your own life in a way which conceals your body. This is largely an urban area and by no stretch is there any wilderness near by. There are densely wooded areas where you could hang yourself and not be found for some time, but I would argue these areas are not walking distance from her route. Could she have taken public transport to a remote area? Possible but it seems a stretch.

. She was came to harm at the hands of a stranger- this is possible, we’ve seen it before with the likes of Halliwell and Bellfield. There could be a person unknown who took the opportunity to abduct and harm Leah. It seems unlikely in daylight on a route used by commuters and school runs. But that didn’t stop Levi Bellfield abducting Milly Dowler from the street.

. She was harmed by someone she knows- statistically this is the most likely outcome. The majority of women who are killed are killed by a current or ex partner. I don’t understand why the police are seemingly uninterested in Mr X. Do they have rock solid intelligence which proves without a doubt he couldn’t be involved? Does that extend to his family? Are his alibis undeniable, such as he was in hospital having treatment at the time, or are they based on the word of others? Or do the police have another reason not to press Mr X, if he is involved in drugs is he being protected as part of a larger county lines investigation?

The strange behaviour surrounding her phone and lying about where she’s going and who she’s seeing in the run up to her disappearance make me lean towards the latter theory. But I wouldn’t discount the possibility of a stranger abduction.

All obviously speculation and my layperson ramblings.
 
  • #382
This is my first post so I apologise in advance for any faux pas I may make.

I’ve lurked over the years but signed up so I could join in the discussion on this case. I honestly can’t believe the lack of national interest in this case. Especially when compared to the huge media coverage of Claudia Lawrence to which it bares striking resemblances.

There’s several possibilities

. She disappeared of her own accord - unlikely IMO that she would successfully manage to vanish with no resources available to her. How would she be sustaining herself after 2 yrs? It’s impossible to be earning and paying rent ‘on the books’ without being found by a police search. There’s a slim possibility she’s been earning cash in hand and paying all bills cash, but how likely is that?

. She took her own life - it’s very hard to take your own life in a way which conceals your body. This is largely an urban area and by no stretch is there any wilderness near by. There are densely wooded areas where you could hang yourself and not be found for some time, but I would argue these areas are not walking distance from her route. Could she have taken public transport to a remote area? Possible but it seems a stretch.

. She was came to harm at the hands of a stranger- this is possible, we’ve seen it before with the likes of Halliwell and Bellfield. There could be a person unknown who took the opportunity to abduct and harm Leah. It seems unlikely in daylight on a route used by commuters and school runs. But that didn’t stop Levi Bellfield abducting Milly Dowler from the street.

. She was harmed by someone she knows- statistically this is the most likely outcome. The majority of women who are killed are killed by a current or ex partner. I don’t understand why the police are seemingly uninterested in Mr X. Do they have rock solid intelligence which proves without a doubt he couldn’t be involved? Does that extend to his family? Are his alibis undeniable, such as he was in hospital having treatment at the time, or are they based on the word of others? Or do the police have another reason not to press Mr X, if he is involved in drugs is he being protected as part of a larger county lines investigation?

The strange behaviour surrounding her phone and lying about where she’s going and who she’s seeing in the run up to her disappearance make me lean towards the latter theory. But I wouldn’t discount the possibility of a stranger abduction.

All obviously speculation and my layperson ramblings.


Thank you for joining and welcome to Websleuths.
You have summed up exactly the thoughts of the majority of people following Leah's case here.
 
  • #383
This is my first post so I apologise in advance for any faux pas I may make.

I’ve lurked over the years but signed up so I could join in the discussion on this case. I honestly can’t believe the lack of national interest in this case. Especially when compared to the huge media coverage of Claudia Lawrence to which it bares striking resemblances.

There’s several possibilities

. She disappeared of her own accord - unlikely IMO that she would successfully manage to vanish with no resources available to her. How would she be sustaining herself after 2 yrs? It’s impossible to be earning and paying rent ‘on the books’ without being found by a police search. There’s a slim possibility she’s been earning cash in hand and paying all bills cash, but how likely is that?

. She took her own life - it’s very hard to take your own life in a way which conceals your body. This is largely an urban area and by no stretch is there any wilderness near by. There are densely wooded areas where you could hang yourself and not be found for some time, but I would argue these areas are not walking distance from her route. Could she have taken public transport to a remote area? Possible but it seems a stretch.

. She was came to harm at the hands of a stranger- this is possible, we’ve seen it before with the likes of Halliwell and Bellfield. There could be a person unknown who took the opportunity to abduct and harm Leah. It seems unlikely in daylight on a route used by commuters and school runs. But that didn’t stop Levi Bellfield abducting Milly Dowler from the street.

. She was harmed by someone she knows- statistically this is the most likely outcome. The majority of women who are killed are killed by a current or ex partner. I don’t understand why the police are seemingly uninterested in Mr X. Do they have rock solid intelligence which proves without a doubt he couldn’t be involved? Does that extend to his family? Are his alibis undeniable, such as he was in hospital having treatment at the time, or are they based on the word of others? Or do the police have another reason not to press Mr X, if he is involved in drugs is he being protected as part of a larger county lines investigation?

The strange behaviour surrounding her phone and lying about where she’s going and who she’s seeing in the run up to her disappearance make me lean towards the latter theory. But I wouldn’t discount the possibility of a stranger abduction.

All obviously speculation and my layperson ramblings.

Hello @Tullyjune and welcome to websleuths! :) Great first post and like @Skigh says you have summed up my thoughts exactly! I do not believe she disappeared herself or committed suicide, I am open to the possibility of a stranger abduction as I believe there was a convicted murderer released accidentally from prison not far from the area around the time Leah disappeared (although I forget his name now). But looking at all the evidence as a whole; the "secret relationship with older man", sneaking out and not telling her parents where she was, does make me lean more towards something happening to Leah by someone she knew. I do find it very odd the police are so reluctant to pursue this avenue of investigation, I would hope the person in question has a really rock solid alibi such as being on cctv somewhere else at the time rather than just say so of a friend or relative. You are quite right that her case gets no where near the mass media attention it deserves and I'm not entirely sure why. :(
 
  • #384
I think you can rule out the convicted murderer as he would not have had his own transport ready to drive away from prison and even if he did, the chances of him driving through that part of MK at that time is not even worth considering .
 
  • #385
I think you can rule out the convicted murderer as he would not have had his own transport ready to drive away from prison and even if he did, the chances of him driving through that part of MK at that time is not even worth considering .

Yes I agree Skigh. I do remember at the time when I looked into it he would of had to of been in the area ridiculously early like 6am or something and it just didn't fit with Leah's timeline but I know some sleuthers on here had thought it was a possibility.
 
  • #386
I think if it turns out to be a stranger it will be someone currently unknown to police. Which is a chilling thought.

I think most likely is something went down the evening before, and I am keen on the theory upthread that she left the home to check up on someone’s whereabouts (probably Mr X). I wonder if they had each other on an app such as Snapchat which can show your friend your location, so she turned off location services so he wouldn’t see she was “spying” on him. Maybe she saw something and confronted him, threatened to “out” him in revenge. Then he intercepted her route to work the following morning.

I’m not sure the woman seen crying on her phone was Leah. I think what’s more likely is that she was taken before then at 8:34am and her phone was turned off by her abductor(s). Then she was driven out of town and killed and her body disposed of (probably buried) somewhere remote.
 
  • #387
Something interesting to think about.

February 15th the day of Leah's disappearance.

8:13am: CCTV footage shows her walking along Buzzacott Lane in Furzton. That was the last confirmed sighting of Leah.
8.34am: Leah's mobile phone is switched off.

Leah Croucher: Fears missing teenager 'no longer alive' two years on | Daily Mail Online

Last confirmed sighting of Leah is at 8:13 and her phone is switched of at 8:34. That's exactly a 21 minute time period unaccounted for.

Buzzacott Lane, Furzton to the Premier Inn (Furzton Lake) by foot is 21 minutes. Give or take the duration is 21 minutes by foot, whether fast or slow.

Can we assume that Leah's phone is switched of when in the vicinity or even in the Premier Inn itself?
 
  • #388
Something interesting to think about.

February 15th the day of Leah's disappearance.

8:13am: CCTV footage shows her walking along Buzzacott Lane in Furzton. That was the last confirmed sighting of Leah.
8.34am: Leah's mobile phone is switched off.

Leah Croucher: Fears missing teenager 'no longer alive' two years on | Daily Mail Online

Last confirmed sighting of Leah is at 8:13 and her phone is switched of at 8:34. That's exactly a 21 minute time period unaccounted for.

Buzzacott Lane, Furzton to the Premier Inn (Furzton Lake) by foot is 21 minutes. Give or take the duration is 21 minutes by foot, whether fast or slow.

Can we assume that Leah's phone is switched of when in the vicinity or even in the Premier Inn itself?

There was a witness sighting of Leah at 8.20 that morning at teletubby hill. @HollyHunter9 found the walking time from here to the Premier Inn was exactly 14 minutes - so at 8.34 we speculated she could have been at the Premier Inn car park.
 
  • #389
There was a witness sighting of Leah at 8.20 that morning at teletubby hill. @HollyHunter9 found the walking time from here to the Premier Inn was exactly 14 minutes - so at 8.34 we speculated she could have been at the Premier Inn car park.

Yes of course that makes more sense. Is this a reliable sighting of Leah however?
If it is then yes this is much more credible
 
  • #390
I can definitely get on board with whomever it was she met/spoke to/spied on the night before, convinced her to meet him at the PI to talk through whatever went down the previous evening.

I could also believe that he then did something to alibi himself and sent a friend or family member to get her. She may have been held for some hours after that point. Then he showed up after leaving a convincing time for the alibi.

As nothing has been mentioned about it I must assume the PI CCTV hasn’t provided any leads, if the police even checked it? Surely they did? It would be poor policing if not.
 
  • #391
Yes of course that makes more sense. Is this a reliable sighting of Leah however?
If it is then yes this is much more credible

The police mentioned it a couple of days ago so i believe they are treating it as a credible sighting of Leah.
 
  • #392
The police mentioned it a couple of days ago so i believe they are treating it as a credible sighting of Leah.
Okay wonderful, that clears up that then. Thanks for that
 
  • #393
I wonder if he told her he had sorted it with work for her to have the day off and he would also take it off and someone would meet her in car park to drive her to a rendezvous location.
 
  • #394
Something interesting to think about.

February 15th the day of Leah's disappearance.

8:13am: CCTV footage shows her walking along Buzzacott Lane in Furzton. That was the last confirmed sighting of Leah.
8.34am: Leah's mobile phone is switched off.

Leah Croucher: Fears missing teenager 'no longer alive' two years on | Daily Mail Online

Last confirmed sighting of Leah is at 8:13 and her phone is switched of at 8:34. That's exactly a 21 minute time period unaccounted for.

Buzzacott Lane, Furzton to the Premier Inn (Furzton Lake) by foot is 21 minutes. Give or take the duration is 21 minutes by foot, whether fast or slow.

Can we assume that Leah's phone is switched of when in the vicinity or even in the Premier Inn itself?

Hey @Frivolous, I think we have pretty much come to the same conclusion that whichever sighting you take of leah either 8.13am or 8.20am if you put into google the address of the premier inn when walking both ways you come out at 8.34am! Which is the exact the time her phone was switched off. Police have now also revealed that the night previously when she went out at 6pm, 15 minutes prior to this her phone location was turned off also in the furzton lake area! I really do believe the PIH has some connection to all this. Whether it was a meeting place or like @Tullyjune says maybe she went to 'spy' on someone but I would really hope the police looked into this at the time as any guests staying there may have witnessed something.
*Edited for grammar
 
  • #395
I am thinking that if anyone knows where X, Mrs X, or anyone else to do with X was on the day of Fri 15 Feb, they should give the police the details. That may help stop any unfair speculation, and may then prompt the police to state that they are aware of social media etc etc.

Obviously the police are not asking for this information - they seem to be investigating things their own way.
 
  • #396
Okay wonderful, that clears up that then. Thanks for that

The timeline fits though:

8.00 - Leah leaves home for work.
8.13 - CCTV on Buzzacott Lane
8.20 - Witness sighting at teletubby hill
8.34 - Premier Inn car park?

And phone switched off at 8.34 of course.
 
  • #397
The timeline fits though:

8.00 - Leah leaves home for work.
8.13 - CCTV on Buzzacott Lane
8.20 - Witness sighting at teletubby hill
8.34 - Premier Inn car park?

And phone switched off at 8.34 of course.

Looking at the Premier Inn on google maps, there is a CCTV camera by the carpark. It can easily be checked if she was there or not.
 
  • #398
Looking at the Premier Inn on google maps, there is a CCTV camera by the carpark. It can easily be checked if she was there or not.

Could be someone knew where the cameras were and she was picked up out of range of them .
 
  • #399
Looking at the Premier Inn on google maps, there is a CCTV camera by the carpark. It can easily be checked if she was there or not.

I think that maybe the reason any footage from the Premier Inn wasn't checked initially is that it wasn't until a while later that the police got the information where exactly Leah's phone was turned off. By the time they got the info any possible footage of Leah would have been taped over or rubbed off.

Also I don't believe the police have ever mentioned the Premier Inn as a possible place where she was last seen, i think it's just us amateur sleuths on here speculating about it! Maybe they should start listening to us!
 
  • #400
I think that’s likely @WiseOwl I think it’s about time we started asking businesses to store more than 7 days worth of CCTV data. It’s not like the old days of video tapes you needed to reuse each week, data storage is bountiful and cheap these days. It would help in so many criminal investigations.
 
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