Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

[Mollie123]

THAT'S what I thought.

Sorry didn't mean to shout!lol

 

[Quintet]

Sorry didn't mean to shout!lol

I did wonder whether you were suggesting I’d nicked your idea!! Haha

 

[Mollie123]

Do you think this would be Libby or more deviancy charges? If he’s been charged with those 4 already I’d imagine they have evidence already for those ones? Any thoughts?

Not sure if this link has been posted, could be what you said or God knows what else.
Hull police at Raglan Street house in search for missing Libby

 

[Armchair_Defective]

At the very light end of the offence scale.

Sentencing guidelines detail a category 1 offence ( most serious) as one causing 'greater harm and higher culpability'

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Burglary_Definitive_Guideline_web_final.pdf

Factors indicating greater harm include; Soiling or ransacking property , occupier at home or returns home,
Factors indicating greater higher culpability include; Victim deliberately targeted due to a vulnerability based on sexual orientation, race etc. - A significant degree of planning or organisation.

I would say based on what he allegedly did inside one home the crime would meet the guideline for greater harm. We don't know if he tried to be seen by the occupiers or not but it's possible.

I would argue he did select victims deliberately based on vulnerablity, and he quite likely planned them which would mean his crime could count as a category 1 offence. Sentence range 2-6 years.

I'm not saying he would get all that time, could have some suspended but to me (I'm not an expert at all ), from the guidelines it does look like the more serious end of the burglary scale.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

I may be wrong, but wouldn't that mean the burglary didn't involve forced entry? Like he just took advantage of an unlocked door, rather than breaking in.

Whats the difference? Forced entry or not its still burglary

 

[Chester]

Whats the difference? Forced entry or not its still burglary

If there were no difference it wouldn't be distinguished in law.

It is, therefore.....

 

[LucyRocket]

I already like Linda, she’s my kind of woman. Out with the dog having a nose.

What's John holding?

 

[Joolz1975]

Whats the difference? Forced entry or not its still burglary

Think there is a a difference between breaking and entering and just entering.

Someone explained it earlier can't remember who though.

But yes still a burglary but I'd assume breaking in is more serious than just walking in through an open door?

Surprised nobody has got in through my dog flap you know, mind you they would get a face full of spaniel of they stuck their head in through it.

 

[LucyRocket]

Whats the difference? Forced entry or not its still burglary

It's unusual for them to use the term trespass

 

[Quintet]

What's John holding?

I’m going to need a clue I’m afraid...sorry.

 

[Sammie1970]

What's John holding?

It looks like a camera lol

 

[Chester]

Sentencing guidelines detail a category 1 offence ( most serious) as one causing 'greater harm and higher culpability'

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Burglary_Definitive_Guideline_web_final.pdf

Factors indicating greater harm include; Soiling or ransacking property , occupier at home or returns home,
Factors indicating greater higher culpability include; Victim deliberately targeted due to a vulnerability based on sexual orientation, race etc. - A significant degree of planning or organisation.

I would say based on what he allegedly did inside one home the crime would meet the guideline for greater harm. We don't know if he tried to be seen by the occupiers or not but it's possible.

I would argue he did select victims deliberately based on vulnerablity, and he quite likely planned them which would mean his crime could count as a category 1 offence. Sentence range 2-6 years.

I'm not saying he would get all that time, could have some suspended but to me (I'm not an expert at all ), from the guidelines it does look like the more serious end of the burglary scale.

Without any further information it's impossible to work out if he targeted his victims or if it was just pure chance.

If he targeted them it seems like a major piece of luck that they all left a door or window open.

It's more likely he was doing what most opportunist burglars do, try every door or window until you find one that's open. I would not be surprised if a lot more houses have been visited. Not everyone would want to report a sex toy being taken and many would not notice if a few bits and pieces went astray, cash etc. (especially in a shared house).

I think it would be a real stretch/risk for a prosecutor to try to build this into something more than petty burglary. Especially if he gets the violins out about his paraphilia.

 

[Chester]

It's unusual for them to use the term trespass

Sorry not trying to contradict you but it isn't, it's the correct term.

 

[LucyRocket]

I’m going to need a clue I’m afraid...sorry.

 

[Cartie]

Would LE need another search warrant to go back into his property and if so would they have needed new evidence to get a new one?

 

[Chester]

Would LE need another search warrant to go back into his property and if so would they have needed new evidence to get a new one?

It would largely depend on the purpose for the search but considering that he has only been charged with offences not directly linked to LS disappearing I would say that they would cover their arses and get one.

I don't believe they needed one in the first instance.

 

[Vermont24]

What's John holding?

John is likely holding a camera. He's a photographer teacher. In fact, he was once my photographer teacher. He told me to 'go away and be a plumber or something'.

 

[LucyRocket]

Sorry not trying to contradict you but it isn't, it's the correct term.

Don't worry! I'm happy to be challenged, it's the only way we learn

I've never heard them use trespass when discussing a burglary before. Although it clearly is trespassing, I've not heard it used in a burglary charge. That doesn't mean to say it doesn't happen

 

[Cherwell]

Whats the difference? Forced entry or not its still burglary

Of course there's a difference. Forced entry involves criminal damage, and usually leaves the victim with their property insecure and damage to be repaired. That adds to the worry and distress.

 

[DanCJ]

This is my first case following with Websleuths. Have you regulars ever known a case put you through a rollercoaster of emotions as much as this one?