GUILTY UK - Maria Rawlings, 45, murdered, Romford, Essex, 3 May 2021 *arrest*

[Lod76]

Truce?

Of course Like I say I wasn't disagreeing and in most cases you are right. It's the old nature versus nurture argument isn't it, I just tend to fall on the side of nature these days. It's fairly safe to assume a troubled background of some sort when it comes to a perpetrator like this, but there is something that makes this guy kill that others with all manner of problems and perversions do not have. JMO though and I'm no expert.

 

[Dotta]

It is extremely important.

Im not an expert in psychology. But... Im a primary school teacher and an eternal optimist. I see a lot of emotionally neglected children who blossom like flowers when you smile at them, talk to them, care about them and motivate them. Some may say that this boy or that girl is aggressive or obnoxious or naughty. But I see deeply unhappy kids and fight every day to make them smile and relax and find their talents and be proud of themselves.

 

[DFR3217]

Im not an expert in psychology. But... Im a primary school teacher and an eternal optimist. I see a lot of emotionally neglected children who blossom like flowers when you smile at them, talk to them, care about them and motivate them. Some may say that this boy or that girl is aggressive or obnoxious or naughty. But I see deeply unhappy kids and fight every day to make them smile and relax and find their talents and be proud of themselves.

That's exactly how a primary school teacher should think of the children they teach, it's a time of innocence, and your caring about the children you teach makes a big difference to them.

 

[DFR3217]

The person charged with the murders of Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry was only 18 and unknown to them, Maria Rawlings young man charged 20 and unknown to her, and now Julia James young man charged 21 and unknown to her. I do find this quite worrying, it might not be statistically significant, murders like this might be more frequent than I realise. I don't know.

 

[HLC35]

The person charged with the murders of Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry was only 18 and unknown to them, Maria Rawlings young man charged 20 and unknown to her, and now Julia James young man charged 21 and unknown to her. I do find this quite worrying, it might not be statistically significant, murders like this might be more frequent than I realise. I don't know.

And the man convicted of Libby Squire’s murder was also unknown to her, aged 24/25. A sexual predator. Definitely appears to be a societal concern, linked to gaming and/or mass internet exposure to illicit sexual, abusive, macabre and violent content

 

[JuicyLucy]

Bedtime reading:

Cannabis-Induced Psychosis in Teenagers and Young Adults: Risk Factors, Detection, Management - Psychiatry Advisor

 

[VixenLeaf]

Im not an expert in psychology. But... Im a primary school teacher and an eternal optimist. I see a lot of emotionally neglected children who blossom like flowers when you smile at them, talk to them, care about them and motivate them. Some may say that this boy or that girl is aggressive or obnoxious or naughty. But I see deeply unhappy kids and fight every day to make them smile and relax and find their talents and be proud of themselves.

You sound like a wonderful teacher. If only there were more like you!

 

[Amonet]

My thoughts are with Maria's family. It must be a relief that someone's been charged, but there's still a long way to go. All the court cases and everything.

It's hard enough when a loved one dies and you don't have to go through that stuff as well.

 

[bladeaok]

First time poster, I have been following this thread since joining the board to follow the Julia James case. I'm genuinely shocked how many armchair psychiatrists on this forum seem to think liking horror movies/gaming is a sign you need a mental health intervention. I don't know if this is because there is a generational gap between myself and the other posters here but if every kid that smoked a bit of weed and or liked a spooky movie needed a medical intervention half the goth community would be locked up lmao. Violent childhoods, sexual abuse and neglect make people dysfunctional as adults, not being a fan of Freddy Krueger.

 

[DFR3217]

First time poster, I have been following this thread since joining the board to follow the Julia James case. I'm genuinely shocked how many armchair psychiatrists on this forum seem to think liking horror movies/gaming is a sign you need a mental health intervention. I don't know if this is because there is a generational gap between myself and the other posters here but if every kid that smoked a bit of weed and or liked a spooky movie needed a medical intervention half the goth community would be locked up lmao. Violent childhoods, sexual abuse and neglect make people dysfunctional as adults, not being a fan of Freddy Krueger.

It's only natural that people look for explanations, and ways to identify someone who might do this. You are of course right that a lot of the art he was either using or making is the sort of concept art that gamers, and other digital artists are currently making. Once more is known about him it will be easier to properly identify if there were any early warning signs that should have been picked up.

 

[Dotta]

First time poster, I have been following this thread since joining the board to follow the Julia James case. I'm genuinely shocked how many armchair psychiatrists on this forum seem to think liking horror movies/gaming is a sign you need a mental health intervention. I don't know if this is because there is a generational gap between myself and the other posters here but if every kid that smoked a bit of weed and or liked a spooky movie needed a medical intervention half the goth community would be locked up lmao. Violent childhoods, sexual abuse and neglect make people dysfunctional as adults, not being a fan of Freddy Krueger.

Armchair sleuths usually like puzzling over the reasons of crimes and digging deeply. There is no smoke without fire and our acts reflect our psyche. But of course, trying to understand does NOT mean justyfying evil crimes. Everybody should get what they deserve. Justice for a victim and punishment for a perpetrator. By the way, I am a sofa sleuth haha

 

[JuicyLucy]

First time poster, I have been following this thread since joining the board to follow the Julia James case. I'm genuinely shocked how many armchair psychiatrists on this forum seem to think liking horror movies/gaming is a sign you need a mental health intervention. I don't know if this is because there is a generational gap between myself and the other posters here but if every kid that smoked a bit of weed and or liked a spooky movie needed a medical intervention half the goth community would be locked up lmao. Violent childhoods, sexual abuse and neglect make people dysfunctional as adults, not being a fan of Freddy Krueger.

BBM

I suspect this is aimed at me, among others, and it's not what I said at all. I was discussing sustained, early-onset misuse of cannabinoids, which is a significant cause of psychosis, particularly in young (<25y) males. There are lots of respected sources of information about this online and I've provided a link to one to get anyone started who is interested to learn more. I can't speak as to any 'generational gap' because I don't know how young you are.

Right now we only know two things. One is that the man (boy) who allegedly murdered Maria Rawlings is not right in the head. The other is that we don't know what caused that. Everything else is currently speculation, which is what we mostly do here, as I'm sure you know, having taken the trouble to lurk a while before introducing yourself.

Welcome to Websleuths.

 

[Dotta]

Besides this 'generation gap' is overrated IMO. We are all human beings from the past, present and future struggling with exactly the same emotions throughout the history of mankind. Well, I love Shakespeare - that is one big generation gap

 

[Splash The Fly]

All his photos, both of him and of gore-fantasy, you really can sense the neurosis/psychosis in him. He wouldn’t have got that way for no reason; there’s always a genesis to this kind of disorder. For someone so young who displays these traits so strongly, and acts how he has, he likely had an extremely messed up childhood. Possibly witnessed things like what he’s now doing, etc.

Particularly discomfiting to see him post regular stuff AFTER killing Maria. Strong narcissism and strong traits of sociopathy, IMO.

And what came first? If you have a disorder, you'll probably start to develop it in your teens, but there is one disorder that can show from a very young age: antisocial PD. If its that, then the childhood could be troublesome because of that (getting punished a lot, getting in trouble, etc.). I've JUST had a class about personality disorders (I swear, this thread just complimented my class so well) and I know that there could be comorbidity (one disorder can be paired with another disorder, it isn't uncommon, just like you said, it could be paired with a narcissism PD). You should have a read about Cluster B (most common types of disorders in prisons and can lead to criminal behavior).

A LOT of the PDs in that cluster say something about risky behavior and addiction (the weed references on his fb pages, as @JuicyLucy said in a post on this thread).

It doesn't always mean that his family or his situation was bad, a disorder (IF he has one) could have other causes (biology, genes, bad friends maybe). With some cases it isn't clear what came first: Cause or Consequence? What was first? If the forensic psychiatrists will talk to them, they'll figure that one out. Its an interesting topic (as my teacher said, lol).

If you wanna know the classifications of a disorder, just search for DSM-V (a very big online pfd) for the psychological criteria (search in the pdf: Cluster B). Its very interesting and if you're interested in psychology, you'll be interested in that. There is a chance that he has a PD, but there are so many other psychological disorders and all that, that you can't know for sure unless they test him (the test for PD in Belgium and the Netherlands is called DAPP-BQ, if you wanna know).

That all said, its all with ifs and buts as the guy can just be a regular guy that's just a bad person. It needs to meet certain criteria (see DSM-V) and be tested. There can be a hunch, but all that is because of talking to the person. You've probably seen a lot of questions in my reply and that is why. You do have a point, but like many things: its situational. We nearly don't have enough info to put a name on a possible disorder that he possibly has. Psychology (sadly) isn't black and white.

I do like it that you're interested in psychology, keep up the curiosity!

 

[JuicyLucy]

And what came first? If you have a disorder, you'll probably start to develop it in your teens, but there is one disorder that can show from a very young age: antisocial PD. If its that, then the childhood could be troublesome because of that (getting punished a lot, getting in trouble, etc.). I've JUST had a class about personality disorders (I swear, this thread just complimented my class so well) and I know that there could be comorbidity (one disorder can be paired with another disorder, it isn't uncommon, just like you said, it could be paired with a narcissism PD). You should have a read about Cluster B (most common types of disorders in prisons and can lead to criminal behavior).

A LOT of the PDs in that cluster say something about risky behavior and addiction (the weed references on his fb pages, as @JuicyLucy said in a post on this thread).

It doesn't always mean that his family or his situation was bad, a disorder (IF he has one) could have other causes (biology, genes, bad friends maybe). With some cases it isn't clear what came first: Cause or Consequence? What was first? If the forensic psychiatrists will talk to them, they'll figure that one out. Its an interesting topic (as my teacher said, lol).

If you wanna know the classifications of a disorder, just search for DSM-V (a very big online pfd) for the psychological criteria (search in the pdf: Cluster B). Its very interesting and if you're interested in psychology, you'll be interested in that. There is a chance that he has a PD, but there are so many other psychological disorders and all that, that you can't know for sure unless they test him (the test for PD in Belgium and the Netherlands is called DAPP-BQ, if you wanna know).

BBM

Well, quite. Correlation is not causation. Lots of excellent points in your post, @Splash The Fly. Thank you.

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

And what came first? If you have a disorder, you'll probably start to develop it in your teens, but there is one disorder that can show from a very young age: antisocial PD. If its that, then the childhood could be troublesome because of that (getting punished a lot, getting in trouble, etc.). I've JUST had a class about personality disorders (I swear, this thread just complimented my class so well) and I know that there could be comorbidity (one disorder can be paired with another disorder, it isn't uncommon, just like you said, it could be paired with a narcissism PD). You should have a read about Cluster B (most common types of disorders in prisons and can lead to criminal behavior).

A LOT of the PDs in that cluster say something about risky behavior and addiction (the weed references on his fb pages, as @JuicyLucy said in a post on this thread).

It doesn't always mean that his family or his situation was bad, a disorder (IF he has one) could have other causes (biology, genes, bad friends maybe). With some cases it isn't clear what came first: Cause or Consequence? What was first? If the forensic psychiatrists will talk to them, they'll figure that one out. Its an interesting topic (as my teacher said, lol).

If you wanna know the classifications of a disorder, just search for DSM-V (a very big online pfd) for the psychological criteria (search in the pdf: Cluster B). Its very interesting and if you're interested in psychology, you'll be interested in that. There is a chance that he has a PD, but there are so many other psychological disorders and all that, that you can't know for sure unless they test him (the test for PD in Belgium and the Netherlands is called DAPP-BQ, if you wanna know).

That all said, its all with ifs and buts as the guy can just be a regular guy that's just a bad person. It needs to meet certain criteria (see DSM-V) and be tested. There can be a hunch, but all that is because of talking to the person. You've probably seen a lot of questions in my reply and that is why. You do have a point, but like many things: its situational. We nearly don't have enough info to put a name on a possible disorder that he possibly has. Psychology (sadly) isn't black and white.

I do like it that you're interested in psychology, keep up the curiosity!

I'm very familiar with the DSM, and Cluster B (the so-called "Dark Triad"), thank you It isn't my job but I volunteer part-time for a charity that works with people with Cluster B disorders, and believe me I've learned more than I could imagine just from that exposure and discussions.

I guess all we can do here is speculate aloud, and maybe some people have more expert knowledge than others etc. I would speculate that there was a pathological need in that man to do what he did. Considering the 'price' or risks in committing such an act, it can surely only be pathological. I don't think bad people exist, just people with complex psychological make-up, from a combination of genetics, early childhood experience, and whether or not the person can overcome any ingrained psychological challenges before they become pathological.

Then there are affective disorders of course, which are different, but they still only put a person a degree closer to disordered behaviour.

A person could be schizophrenic with borderline personality disorder and a cocaine addiction, but it doesn't guarantee that he or she will kill someone. It is however a lot more likely.

 

[badgersmythe]

Man, 20, appears in court charged with murdering mother-of-two


Man, 20, appears in court charged with murdering mother-of-two, 45, who was found dead in bushes | Daily Mail Online

 

[DFR3217]

Valentin Lazar has appeared in court, this is all I could find, I don't want to get into the why is one case getting more attention than the other complaints, because that's just how things are, but Julia James seems to be dominating the news.
Barking man appears in court charged with mother-of-two's murder

 

[Dotta]

Valentin Lazar has appeared in court, this is all I could find, I don't want to get into the why is one case getting more attention than the other complaints, because that's just how things are, but Julia James seems to be dominating the news.
Barking man appears in court charged with mother-of-two's murder

Both cases are eerily similar and equally heart wrenching

 

[DFR3217]

Both cases are eerily similar and equally heart wrenching

They are, I find that quite troubling.