Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #11

[FlyHigh209]

Is it just me (it may well be), or has the media coverage/progression dramatically reduced today?

Concerns me that there may be some development that is subject to embargo.

The weekday TV shows / YT channels seemed to be very active last week getting interviews & segments that drove alot of stories.

+ Peter Faulding no longer involved!

 

[Firstsnow4]

All good questions. No idea about motive in this scenario other than to remove NB. It really would have to be two perps. As for the person dressed as NB, perhaps she stops looking like NB on exit past CCTV/the public. It is far fetched and would take a lot of planning and conspiracy. But then there has now been two weeks of missed time searching the river rather than looking for a crime scene.

My favoured theory is still abduction by person(s) unknown who had been watching for many days, probably in the far field, again with staging of the bench scene.

Yes would be elaborate and such a huge risk if someone did bump into them in the field area whilst walking another persons dog….unless they were all involved. IMO.

I’m on the fence between left willingly due to crisis of some sort or foul play. JMO.

 

[Firstsnow4]

Thanks. That's what I was looking for. A witness who knew NB who had spoken to her face to face who obviously put her herself there in the field.

I thought it was only the dogs that interacted in the field afaik.

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According to this she did speak to someone at the school though.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Just running a wild thought over in my head and sharing. I'm not saying this is what happened, I'm just throwing what little we know up in the air and seeing how it falls.

If we suspend our notions of what is likely for one moment, and accept that someone other than NB could operate her phone then it becomes only an assumption that she herself clicked on the phone link for the teams meeting (camera and audio off). It is possible to send a text on someone else's phone which appears to be from them if they have access to it. The only witness sightings were from a distance (dogs interacted but did they interact?), then the last physical interaction with NB for definite would be dropping the kids off at the school as the kids and teachers/other parents could not be mistaken. Could it be that it was someone other than NB in the field but dressed up in the same clothes, of the same size, same hair, with local knowledge, who would be able to control the dog as they had walked it before? The bench scene then being staged. Whatever happened to NB having happened immediately after the school drop.

Please do tell me if there are obvious holes in this so that I can put it in the discarded list.

I'm still leaning towards a possible abduction, having abandoned the river as a theory.

It's been mentioned before here. The issue with that, is how do you explain NB dropping her own children at school and taking the dog from the car at the school and going for a walk? Where did the switch happen and how? Just asking out of curiosity how this works in your theory? MOO

 

[Ruthbullock]

Thanks, been Googling for half an hour to try to understand "ordnance datum" but all I could conclude is that all 3 measuring sites use the same method so should be comparable and the one that is mainly quoted in this thread is the depth at the weir (0.4M) but the two upstream monitors are 7M leading me to think the weir measurement is after the weir - would make sense because the point of a weir is to hold back water like a dam so upstream will be deeper.

So what I'm getting at, is the water is deep near the bench - potentially 3-4 times the height of NB.

It was originally reported as 4 ft deep- but PB reported it as about 3ft deep- either depth when you are a little over 5ft is going to be deep, hitting a lot of your core body reducing the temp quickly. There is also a rocky bottom- if you fell in toppling forward you may hit your head, but also the possibility you twist your foot between rocks or bend your knees and hit your knee. When I visualise people falling I always think of younger children and how and what they hit as they fall either forwards or backwards and where there injuries are (they fall far more than we do as adults). In water you will automatically try and save yourself, like a child, with your hands- but there will be no resistance to stop your momentum.

 

[Bibitty]

I thought it was only the dogs that interacted in the field afaik.

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According to this she did speak to someone at the school though.

Emma White said she waved over to NB at school drop off that morning,

 

[rockthecasbah]

The lady in this picture is wearing what was originally described as what NB was wearing...ankle length black gilet or coat

They are really popular this year, I have seen about 1 in every 6 women wearing one

 

[Officer Dibble]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624102953786146826

Still worth reporting it in my opinion. At least it will be logged by 101 service.

 

[EvaP]

I thought it was only the dogs that interacted in the field afaik.

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According to this she did speak to someone at the school though.

Spoke with the lady, her friend who was in photo above with PA in similar clothing as per discussion above - according to the friend

 

[Ruthbullock]

But didn't he say he went to the gym about 12? So either he does a 'split shift' or starts after the gym session.

He said on channel 5 the days he doesn’t take the girls to school he enjoys an hour to himself before work ( so starts work 9.30ish). I’m guessing the gym is during his lunch break. He will have work to do around being available with others online so won’t do the exact hours that the US office is open.

 

[EvaP]

Emma White said she waved over to NB at school drop off that morning,

I thought she said she spoke with her

 

[Bibitty]

It was originally reported as 4 ft deep- but PB reported it as about 3ft deep- either depth when you are a little over 5ft is going to be deep, hitting a lot of your core body reducing the temp quickly. There is also a rocky bottom- if you fell in toppling forward you may hit your head, but also the possibility you twist your foot between rocks or bend your knees and hit your knee. When I visualise people falling I always think of younger children and how and what they hit as they fall either forwards or backwards and where there injuries are (they fall far more than we do as adults). In water you will automatically try and save yourself, like a child, with your hands- but there will be no resistance to stop your momentum.

The police said that the river bed varied significantly. Think even PF said it was 4m deep in the centre - which would fit with the ‘deep hole’ name given by anglers.

Is it possible she tripped in but fell backwards towards the deep hole - the centre doesn’t look v far away. But surely PF would have found her here if his claims that a body sinks rather than floats?

Or could she have gone in voluntarily or accidentally further along past the weir? Can you walk there along the riverbank rather than towpath?

 

[Mr X]

It was originally reported as 4 ft deep- but PB reported it as about 3ft deep- either depth when you are a little over 5ft is going to be deep, hitting a lot of your core body reducing the temp quickly. There is also a rocky bottom- if you fell in toppling forward you may hit your head, but also the possibility you twist your foot between rocks or bend your knees and hit your knee. When I visualise people falling I always think of younger children and how and what they hit as they fall either forwards or backwards and where there injuries are (they fall far more than we do as adults). In water you will automatically try and save yourself, like a child, with your hands- but there will be no resistance to stop your momentum.

Also nothing to hold onto with your hands. It is remarkably difficult to get out of water without having something to hold onto. You would naturally move towards an area where there was something to grab but if that involved an increase in the depth of the water you could be out of your depth quickly. Rivers will be cold in January. IMO and sad but she is in that River.

 

[Ruthbullock]

If I could get one answer to one question- it would be how easily does the dog allow the harness back on? The harness was found between the bench and the river and I have even seen quotes today stating it was down the bank part of the river- any which way it wasn’t on the bench. A dog that is even just slightly giddy when getting it’s harness on can cause you to stumble on uneven floor. We have several dogs- some will sit and wait and others we are leaning over and holding, whilst others get themselves into it as we hold it.

 

[LuluR38]

Denis Rowlandson said to the Sun: “I rent the barn to store woodcuts to dry out and I sell them as fire logs. I don’t know anybody with a red van who should be parked outside that barn or near the entrance. I don’t know of anybody at all with a red van.

Nicola Bulley witness who saw red van near where she vanished breaks silence

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I wonder who this old red Renault transporter type van belongs too… source Elaine willcox ITV PA is driven through the village as reported on Twitter 3 feb 2023 …

This tatty red van?

 

[Firstsnow4]

I thought she said she spoke with her

Yes according to police statement, she had a brief conversation with her Lancashire Constabulary - Latest update in search for Nicola Bulley

 

[Mr X]

The police said that the river bed varied significantly. Think even PF said it was 4m deep in the centre - which would fit with the ‘deep hole’ name given by anglers.

Is it possible she tripped in but fell backwards towards the deep hole - the centre doesn’t look v far away. But surely PF would have found her here if his claims that a body sinks rather than floats?

Or could she have gone in voluntarily or accidentally further along past the weir? Can you walk there along the riverbank rather than towpath?

The deep hole is more likely to be at one side as it will be a feature of the way the water moves. One of the features according to the anglers definition is that the hole does not have a current but insects for fish are sometimes deposited into the hole by the current moving above.

It seems to me like when you put a small piece of paper beside a thick book and blow across the book. The piece of paper moves towards the book not away from it.

If that's the case a body could get "pinned" in a certain spot and not move until the flow of the River recedes.

Even with no rain you still get elevated flows on rivers in winter.

 

[JacksonHeights]

I seen a Manchester Evening news reporter (I think) live reporting from scene and he said something about the signal isn’t great here! I’m assuming that (he said he was using his phone to record) he was talking about network reception? So is this to do with his data as obviously no wi-fi? So I was wondering if it would have been the same for NB on works call? Or maybe the reception where she was on call was ok, why make a work conference call if you can’t get a great service signal? Even if you have data does it rely on your actual phone signal because you can’t get wi-if? As I’ve said I’m not tech savvy, anyone enlighten me? Plz?

You can dial in to join a teams meeting too, so if the internet signal isn't great you can call a number and put a code in (this will be automatically added to the teams invite) and someone adds you from a lobby.

 

[Coach]

Was the interview with DW inside the family home?

 

[LuluR38]

Ok. I don't have telly and no subscriptions is there a YouTube video ? I would have thought someone with such a wonderful machine would be getting as much content out there as possible.

There’s a my5 app for phome and it’s on there, for free …