Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #16

[ayrshireguy]

Im not sure if we are in the same area...Its by that Alpaca place. Ive just looked at the area on google maps and there is a dog walkers beware sign on a lamppost next to a path that leads to fields beyond...Gave me a slight chill TBH

Ah yea I saw that sign earlier

 

[SuperEye]

Is it possible that NB used a toilet at the caravan site ?
Does anyone know if the site had a public accessible toilet ?

They do have a toilet block according to someone who left a review. Link below.Wyreside Caravan Park Review

 

[JennieM]

‘Nikki is NOT an unfit parent and I've never seen any red flags': Nicola Bulley's close friend rallies around the missing mother as she urges the public to stop spreading rumours online​

Nadia Fell said the police decision to reveal Ms Bulley’s health struggles had triggered cruel suggestions that her daughters, who are aged six and nine, ‘aren’t safe around her’.

In a spirited defence of the 45-year-old mortgage adviser, who vanished while walking her dog in St Michael’s on Wyre, Lancashire, last month, Ms Fell said: ‘The rumours are starting that Nikki is an unfit mum… I will not hear it. Nikki is the most amazing mum ever. Those girls are her world.’

'Nikki is NOT an unfit parent and I've never seen any red flags'

Nadia Fell said the police decision to reveal Ms Bulley's health struggles had triggered cruel suggestions that her daughters, 'aren't safe around her'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

‘Nikki is NOT an unfit parent and I've never seen any red flags': Nicola Bulley's close friend rallies around the missing mother as she urges the public to stop spreading rumours online​

Nadia Fell said the police decision to reveal Ms Bulley’s health struggles had triggered cruel suggestions that her daughters, who are aged six and nine, ‘aren’t safe around her’.

In a spirited defence of the 45-year-old mortgage adviser, who vanished while walking her dog in St Michael’s on Wyre, Lancashire, last month, Ms Fell said: ‘The rumours are starting that Nikki is an unfit mum… I will not hear it. Nikki is the most amazing mum ever. Those girls are her world.’

'Nikki is NOT an unfit parent and I've never seen any red flags'

Nadia Fell said the police decision to reveal Ms Bulley's health struggles had triggered cruel suggestions that her daughters, 'aren't safe around her'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This is all really disgusting now. Trolling PA, people making these comments, it must be hell on earth for this family. This is beyond damaging in so many respects.

 

[SpideySense]

I think the article really should point out strongly that the family had said the media were ready to publish stories about Nicola's vulnerabilities, so in this case I don't feel the family and the police had much choice. Better for the police or family spokesperson to put it out first than the tabloids.

Now I do think there is a discussion on maybe the way it was worded and the exact detail, by the police, but I don't think they had much choice in terms of having to mention the things that Nicola had been going through (in terms of prior welfare check at least).

My thoughts on LE actively revealing NB’s vulnerabilities (as opposed to confirming/denying reports made by others) are:

1. If the vulnerabilities have absolutely no relevance to the course or findings of your investigation, they shouldn’t be released, full stop. Getting the jump on potential gossip doesn’t seem like a pursuit in which LE should engage itself. Let tabloids and blogs post whatever blather they want, don’t legitimize it or reference it, and let private citizens harmed by that blather take those entities to court, if appropriate. *Edited to add:* Any “blather” that rises to a criminal offense, arrest the perpetrator.

2. If the vulnerabilities are and have been relevant to the investigation, the “high risk” quality of the disappearance should have been reported from the outset. Not details about the vulnerabilities, just the fact the misper is high risk. An exception to this might be if investigators are convinced by the evidence that there is no hope of finding the missing person alive, and therefore describing the high risk status would be unnecessary.

 

[NorrisandRita]

Could she have jumped on a bus in different clothes? There’s a bus at 9.24am on the timetable

 

[Sherl]

Sincere apologies if this has already been detailed but what were the circumstances of her phone and dog being discovered?
The information as I understand it is lady found phone and dog circa 9.30, rang vet then rang daughter who knew Nicola (after lady looked at phone), daughter called school to alert them. Lady tied dog up and left. Dog left on own for 90 minutes approx.
I just think having found a distressed dog and phone with someone clearly awol I'd have been inclined to dial 999 and definitely not leave the dog.

 

[Simplistic67]

Could she have jumped on a bus in different clothes? There’s a bus at 9.24am on the timetable View attachment 403785

CCTV would capture her from the Grapes pub

 

[CriLondon]

It has seemed to me for a while that if a person was to escape from that area undetected , in a vehicle , the safest way appears (to me at least) to be across the shallow-ish part of the river around the bend past the bench area .
Across into Hall Ln , into a vehicle and eastbound.
I don't know how many have actually followed Hall Ln in that direction on Google street .
It appears to be a very narrow , tight and relatively free of traffic countryside road .
Even going further down to the crossing , there is barely anything there and there appear to be no cameras at all , for a significant part of that area.

I know Hall Ln has been talked about ,even in the last few pages i believe (sorry catching up).
I always felt , from the beginning , that all the possibilities into Garstand Rd and Blackpool Ln are ....too populated ? Between houses , caravan park , traffic on main roads , etc .
Just not that safe , if you are trying to leave undetected , isn't it ?

 

[NorrisandRita]

CCTV would capture her from the Grapes pub

There’s another bus stop at the Village Hall

 

[Agatha3]

But could it also just make people put forward false claims?

The problem with this case is that there are no clues and no body, so would the police (or family) pay out before NB was found? I don't claim to know how the reward process works in this context.

With the Madeleine reward there were people who falsely claimed and they were prosecuted.

 

[Marie Bell]

I’m not sure I agree, respectfully.

I actually asked my husband what he would do if I was for some reason out walking the dog, when he was home from work, alone.

He said he knows roughly how long I usually am walking to dog due to conversations we have when he’s at work and I’m and home and I take the dog out. He said if I was 10-15 mins late AND unreachable by phone after several attempts at trying to get hold of me (my phone is usually safety in my pocket but on “loud/ ringer” when I’m out, weirdly I have different ring tones for different people so I know who is calling without having to look) then he would then come looking for me.

JMO

I agree. I thought PA's attitude to it was completely normal and reasonable. And it also suggests, IMO, that there was no reason for having fears of suicide at that particular time. Sure, when it came to the police going through the list of questions she would have had a couple of features that ticked some boxes, but so would a large percentage of women who are out and about at any one time.

 

[shoeless clueless]

The witness who said she tied up the dog at 9.33 said "There was a mobile phone on the bench and there was also something between the bench and the river so I went and looked, and it was a dog harness. The dog looked worried so I tied her up and rushed home as I had to go to an appointment. I then went and spoke to my daughter-in-law and she immediately knew who the dog was, alerted the woman's partner and that was it - the police were on it." There was a long gap between 9.33 and the daughter contacting Nicola's partner, which contradicts the official version that the school was contacted, and the school then contacted the partner.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

Despite how some of my posts might make it sound, I'm still completely open to all possibilities for what might have happened to NB--as long as there's evidence. No matter how it sometimes looks, nobody ever disappears into thin air. They've always gone *somewhere* and you have to find where that somewhere is. Which is often easier said than done.

The LP are slowly but surely ruling out ways NB could have left the river path and now have very few places left. In the absence of evidence indicating anything else, I personally believe NB went into the water because it's the simplest explanation.

I would love to be proven wrong.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

My thoughts on LE actively revealing NB’s vulnerabilities (as opposed to confirming/denying reports made by others) are:

1. If the vulnerabilities have absolutely no relevance to the course or findings of your investigation, they shouldn’t be released, full stop. Getting the jump on potential gossip doesn’t seem like a pursuit in which LE should engage itself. Let tabloids and blogs post whatever blather they want, don’t legitimize it or reference it, and let private citizens harmed by that blather take those entities to court, if appropriate. *Edited to add:* Any “blather” that rises to a criminal offense, arrest the perpetrator.

2. If the vulnerabilities are and have been relevant to the investigation, the “high risk” quality of the disappearance should have been reported from the outset. Not details about the vulnerabilities, just the fact the misper is high risk. An exception to this might be if investigators are convinced by the evidence that there is no hope of finding the missing person alive, and therefore describing the high risk status would be unnecessary.

Unfortunately, LE and the family appear to have been coerced and pressured into saying what they did, JMO. Various factors:

- LE were under scrutiny from the public and lobbyists as to why they had given so much time and attention to NB when there are so many other missing persons;

- LE were under to pressure to explain exactly why they had immediately jumped onto a narrative that NB was in the water and ruled out other ideas;

- LE and the family were seemingly being harangued by the press who were intending to run stories sold to them by local people;

IMO it was not OK for LE to release the statements that they did - they could have kept it to a simple few words expressing 'personal struggles' or suchlike but they were on the defensive having to justify themselves against 'missing white woman' allegations and also having failed to take the best course of action at the time NB was known to be missing. As for the family saying what they did, a far more elaborate statement, I think it speaks for itself that they are suffering and desperate. JMO.

 

[JennieM]

The Daily Mail has created an interactive map

Where is Nicola Bulley? Explore this interactive map to reveal every clue and location in the case of the missing mother-of-two... as the hunt reaches day 22​

Where is Nicola Bulley? Interactive map reveals every clue

Nicola Bulley vanished without a trace while walking her dog in the tiny village of St Michael's on Wyre on January 27. Now, a new interactive map has been created to show the key moments in the case.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Disgraceful online trolls hack into social media of Nicola's partner

EXCLUSIVE: Online trolls are believed to have hacked into the social media account of Paul Ansell, the partner of missing Nicola Bulley, and posted sexually explicit images of women.

www.express.co.uk

Some interesting info in that article regarding criticisms of the handling of the case and the fact that 'sleuths' have been out digging in the woodland. Personally, I'm quite relieved to hear that people are searching so extensively for N.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

This post lands at random.

We don't even know if Nicola's disappearance is related to a crime so please stop casting aspersions at third parties as if they are somehow involved in a crime that may not have even occurred. Even IF a crime becomes known and there are X number of third parties and 1 of then was ultimately found guilty of a crime, that means that all the others are innocent people.

It's fine to ask respectful questions or make reasonable observations in relation to third parties, but Websleuths does not allow negative speculation, sleuthing, casting suspicions, direct or indirect accusations that can have the affect of ruining the lives of totally 'innocent' people. Usually it's just a matter of reading your post to make sure it does not come across as accusatory. It's not so much what you say but how you say it that makes a difference.

Please post respectfully and responsibly at all times.

Thank you.

Sillybilly
WS Administrator

 

[acutename]

Would anyone be willing to agree that far too much emphasis is being put on the dogs ability to follow? I personally have a dog myself and she is so unaware that on multiple occasions I've had to walk back 2-3 minutes down our walking route to find her, one occasions she was with two women who were saying "we just saw the dog alone and wondered why". She was so unaware and distracted that I'd walked far enough away that she'd have been lost, and she's a hunting breed.

Why can't this have happened here? I would actually be sure that If I sat on that bench and waited for my own dog to wander off that I could quite easily leave without her realising, and hence she would eventually wander back to where she saw me last near the bench and wait.

I'm just positing this due to the dog being by the gate/bench seems to be the main justification for suspicion of abduction.

my dog would never leave me like that... unless there was a squirrel around

 

[ruby925]

The witness who said she tied up the dog at 9.33 said "There was a mobile phone on the bench and there was also something between the bench and the river so I went and looked, and it was a dog harness. The dog looked worried so I tied her up and rushed home as I had to go to an appointment. I then went and spoke to my daughter-in-law and she immediately knew who the dog was, alerted the woman's partner and that was it - the police were on it." There was a long gap between 9.33 and the daughter contacting Nicola's partner, which contradicts the official version that the school was contacted, and the school then contacted the partner.

I believe it was PA who said he was alerted by the school and he then called the police before leaving the house to look for NB.