Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #17

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The family can't be happy with PF continuing to speculate.
Similar speculations on social media. Maybe there is something in our psyche that WANTS mystery and intrigue. I was surprised actually that they didn't cordon off and do forensics on the area - if only to shut off that particular line of speculation. Maybe it would have been pointless if the whole world has been tramping through.
 
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He "doesn't want to speculate"...and then he speculates.
PF has his supporters and critics but he did a thorough sweep of the areas he was tasked to search and that was the water, deep holes and the river bed, not the banks, vegetation or the reeds which were the remit of the police divers and searchers. And if PF says she was not in the water, deep holes or the river bed of the stretches he searched at that time, IMO he should be believed.
Yes what he's said about a deposition site is controversial and I understand that his critics think he should keep a lower profile and his opinions to himself. But he is defending his work (as anyone would) and he does have a point, it is the closest point to the road, over a wall. By all accounts NB was quite high up in the reeds, not tangled underneath in the water and there was a hole above where she was found.
Only the coroner can really shed light on NB's journey and fate now, his findings and any forensic analysis on the body and clothing are crucial to either closure or further investigation
 
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The family can't be happy with PF continuing to speculate.
He "Wouldn't want to speculate"

But he does.

Where do these people get their brains from-Supermarkets.
 
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The whole thing is almost so weird and ironic in some ways. She's been trending on twitter for the past few days. If it was suicide, she likely would have not wanted that. If it was an accident, I'm sure she'd have been happy to know the whole country was concerned/thinking about her during this time.
 
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Does everyone know that the man who found NB found another body in a river 5 years ago too?
not that unusual if you live beside a river and go walking there daily... especially if you're actively on the lookout for bodies and know that people have gone in the river or may have gone in the river nearby.
 
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IMO I can see that the speculation about this case will go on for possibly years. I personally can foresee that there will be a return of an "open verdict".
 
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This guy is a liability. I respect him volunteering his time and expensive equipment to search but I have close friends who work with several mountain rescue teams and it's *never* your job to interfere with police investigations like this, PF has interfered and caused mayhem from the start and the more it happens the more it feels like a calculated effort to bring more hysteria and social panic over the situation at the expense of NB's family, despite them being extremely clear that it has harmed them. He completely discredits himself and his profession.

Ultimately no expert in searching rivers for bodies would say a definite answer one way or the other, because even someone with a passing interest in one or two cases knows it can take years for a body to show up regardless of searches. He's a charlatan.
 
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This guy is a liability. I respect him volunteering his time and expensive equipment to search but I have close friends who work with several mountain rescue teams and it's *never* your job to interfere with police investigations like this, PF has interfered and caused mayhem from the start and the more it happens the more it feels like a calculated effort to bring more hysteria and social panic over the situation at the expense of NB's family, despite them being extremely clear that it has harmed them. He completely discredits himself and his profession.
he is still doing this - he just said 'Police divers/search teams searched the area who has the same equipment as his own sonar!, and his search will clearly identity a body in the water but wouldn't include the reeds/side.
then go on to say he has searched the area where he found the body and categorically confirm there was no body when he searched'
 
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A quote from PF in the news article..
Asked if the body could have been placed in the river, Mr Faulding told GB News: "I don't wanna start speculation - there's potential - it's on a corner it's a perfect deposition site and it's right next to a wall. That is a possibility but I don't wanna start speculation on that."

He really does need to shut up, and perhaps engage his team in trying to locate his common sense. He's been a liability from the start, and managed to get worse over the passage of time.
 
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Former SIO Hill has been on Sky calling out the self promoters and grifters - especially ex cops with no relevant experience

Unfortunately far from hanging their heads in shame, they are in overdrive.
 
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Nicola Bulley: Why can it take so long to find bodies?

By Dominic Casciani

A question many have been asking is - could she have been found sooner?

Without getting into scientific detail that some may find distressing, bodies do not stay in one position at the bottom of water, near where they were last seen.

Over time they will resurface, unless they have become completely lodged in an unreachable underwater location.

There has been a lot of focus on Peter Faulding, the private search contractor who works with police forces around the UK.

Crucially, Mr Faulding says sonar would never be used to search reeds by the side of a river because it would not penetrate them.

Such a search would have to be manual riverbank and wading search.

"My previous comments saying that if Nicola was in the river, I would find her, still stand," the forensic search expert said.

We do not know if the police or any other team carried out that manual search of the critical area or had been tasked to.

And it is not clear whether Lancashire Police considered other technologies.

 
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Former SIO Hill has been on Sky calling out the self promoters and grifters - especially ex cops with no relevant experience

Unfortunately far from hanging their heads in shame, they are in overdrive.
Does anyone know if the media pay for these types of interviews? Ex-cop with no knowledge of case prepared to give five to ten minutes of his or her time to national news channel — does money change hands? It seems like some of them just say whatever is most likely to attract attention rather than giving a responsible and experienced opinion.
 
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Does anyone know if the media pay for these types of interviews? Ex-cop with no knowledge of case prepared to give five to ten minutes of his or her time to national news channel — does money change hands? It seems like some of them just say whatever is most likely to attract attention rather than giving a responsible and experienced opinion.
there will be a fee, it won't be huge.
 
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BBC Newscast podcast which includes an interview with a former detective superintendent and their take on the media intrusion.


Another police officer who wasn't involved in the case's media interview on media intrusion.
 
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Ground-penetrating radar, deployed under a small boat, can detect objects that have sunk into soft sediment.

One of the UK's leading academics in geo-forensics has shown how this technique, combined with sonar and dogs detecting scent from decaying bodies, can lead to the recovery of a victim of drowning.

The more technology that can be chucked at the problem, the more time is saved for focused fingertip searches by divers.


 
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Nicola Bulley: Why can it take so long to find bodies?

By Dominic Casciani

A question many have been asking is - could she have been found sooner?

Without getting into scientific detail that some may find distressing, bodies do not stay in one position at the bottom of water, near where they were last seen.

Over time they will resurface, unless they have become completely lodged in an unreachable underwater location.

There has been a lot of focus on Peter Faulding, the private search contractor who works with police forces around the UK.

Crucially, Mr Faulding says sonar would never be used to search reeds by the side of a river because it would not penetrate them.

Such a search would have to be manual riverbank and wading search.

"My previous comments saying that if Nicola was in the river, I would find her, still stand," the forensic search expert said.

We do not know if the police or any other team carried out that manual search of the critical area or had been tasked to.

And it is not clear whether Lancashire Police considered other technologies.

nice one, but PF statements are clear as mud!! often contradicting himself.
He may have helped the family but certainly not helped the LE communication problems and made it even worse
 
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Another police officer who wasn't involved in the case's media interview on media intrusion.
With such a big case like this you're going to get ex cops and ex detectives alongside people who are respected in various fields linked with something like this, giving their opinion. I don't understand why everyone is up in arms about it.
You will get interviewers who are interested in an interviewees take on things.
This isnt isolated with just this case, it happens them all.
 
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This guy is a liability. I respect him volunteering his time and expensive equipment to search but I have close friends who work with several mountain rescue teams and it's *never* your job to interfere with police investigations like this, PF has interfered and caused mayhem from the start and the more it happens the more it feels like a calculated effort to bring more hysteria and social panic over the situation at the expense of NB's family, despite them being extremely clear that it has harmed them. He completely discredits himself and his profession.

Ultimately no expert in searching rivers for bodies would say a definite answer one way or the other, because even someone with a passing interest in one or two cases knows it can take years for a body to show up regardless of searches. He's a charlatan.

What I found odd at the time was he was giving his own independent press briefings. I am not sure if there was police press liaison with him or not but really they should have put a stop to it straight away (maybe they tried?)

He more than anyone drove the media frenzy because he was so available to the rolling news coverage, incredibly even acting as a defacto spokesman for the family at one point.

He stated she was not in the river and however he now tries to walk that back, people intepreted the comment in an obvious way - that was critical in the media losing patience with the investigation - suddenly we had an army of talking heads claiming the investigation was botched.

sigh
 
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