Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #17

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Or a press release, like an embargo, cheap and easy. No public questions.
but didn't they already try that, didn't work?

( I don't understand the embargo point. Do you mean an embargo of NB's private info or for some other purpose. If the vulnerability details should not be disclosed to anybody, that would have to include the press?)
 
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The body entering the tidal side of the weir to begin with seems a possibility as well IMO
Yes, I heard/read somewhere that even when you are taking own life by entering water naturally your body still fights to save you so you cannot instantly drown. there may well be some splashing etc. So I suspect NB would have gone towards past the weir where there is less people that can notice her (not where there are regular dog walkers)
 
iirc LP never said that they were releasing it in order to help the search.
The reason they gave is in the penultimate paragraph attached ( that para is hidden unless you click on the link)


PS am not justifying it - by replying to you- am just a fan of accuracy & not a fan of false premises
Thanks. I know why they said they released it, I am pointing out that not only did it breach her private, medical and confidential rights, it also did nothing to support their overall number 1 stated aim - to find NB.

So yes, my scathing assessment of their actions is premised on my understanding that their number 1 aim was to find NB.
 
Thanks. I know why they said they released it, I am pointing out that not only did it breach her private, medical and confidential rights, it also did nothing to support their overall number 1 stated aim - to find NB.

So yes, my scathing assessment of their actions is premised on my understanding that their number 1 aim was to find NB.

intimidation and harassment of witnesses was fuelled by speculation too
 
Thanks. I know why they said they released it, I am pointing out that not only did it breach her private, medical and confidential rights, it also did nothing to support their overall number 1 stated aim - to find NB.

So yes, my scathing assessment of their actions is premised on my understanding that their number 1 aim was to find NB.
but the release of the information didn't breach her rights under law or common law.
 
Former ITN editor-in-chief Stewart Purvis, who has also worked as a senior Ofcom executive, said: "I think the whole issue of how you approach the families of those who have suffered, who are suffering from the disappearance and possibly the death of a loved one, is a continuing issue in the media."

He said the lack of a public response from ITV or Sky News suggested they were "uncomfortable with the position they are in".

"I'm sure they don't want to get into a public row with the family, but if they had a proper defence of this situation, I think we would have heard it from them by now, and I'm sure they're clustered in a group at the moment trying to work out what to say," he added.




Apologising would be a good start...


 
Meanwhile, Downing Street said it expected Lancashire Police to be "transparent" about its internal investigation into how it handled the case.

Asked whether Rishi Sunak believed an independent, external review would be necessary, the Prime Minister's official spokesman said: "Our position is to allow the existing process to report back.

"We would expect them to detail their findings and then obviously we will consider the next steps as appropriate."


 
Thanks. I know why they said they released it, I am pointing out that not only did it breach her private, medical and confidential rights, it also did nothing to support their overall number 1 stated aim - to find NB.

So yes, my scathing assessment of their actions is premised on my understanding that their number 1 aim was to find NB.
And case my reply wasn’t clear I was saying in reply to someone saying police might have to do more press conferences and briefings, that an embargo letter might suffice and be quicker and cheaper And a WS said they tried that but it didn’t work. Yes I know why police said they expanded on “vulnerabilities.” But I wasn’t aware they/if they did/ send a letter to editors and newsdesk..well, and TV.
 
Former ITN editor-in-chief Stewart Purvis, who has also worked as a senior Ofcom executive, said: "I think the whole issue of how you approach the families of those who have suffered, who are suffering from the disappearance and possibly the death of a loved one, is a continuing issue in the media."

He said the lack of a public response from ITV or Sky News suggested they were "uncomfortable with the position they are in".

"I'm sure they don't want to get into a public row with the family, but if they had a proper defence of this situation, I think we would have heard it from them by now, and I'm sure they're clustered in a group at the moment trying to work out what to say," he added.




Apologising would be a good start...

I wonder if certain contracts are being discussed!
 
My heart goes out to Paul Ansell and all the family of course. So very hard to even think of the right words to say to children - (or any aged children in the family) - that their mummy will no longer be with them in their life. More so of course PA and the family are in the deepest of grief themselves at this time.

I personally have been put into that position, as I can imagine some on WS have sadly lost a loved one. My children were 10 and 12 years old at the time their daddy sadly lost his life in a car crash.

I did my best to choose the best way I could to tell my children, they of course were devastated. I can still remember to this day, now 15 years ago, the look on their faces of utter disbelief and a look from them both that I had never seen before on anyone's face.

But I never had all what Paul and his family were put through (the 3 weeks of waiting to find out where NB was) also all what went on via the media, wicked online messages etc.

All I can hope for, and sure all who care will feel the same, is every possible support can be given to Paul, their two young girls and all their families to see them through each day the best that can be.

*Thank you so much for everyone who showed they care by giving the likes. It means a lot for sure*.
 
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Thanks. I know why they said they released it, I am pointing out that not only did it breach her private, medical and confidential rights, it also did nothing to support their overall number 1 stated aim - to find NB.

So yes, my scathing assessment of their actions is premised on my understanding that their number 1 aim was to find NB.
One of the justifications for when police may step out of the usual boundaries re privacy or similar is when it is deemed necessary in order to protect individuals from harm. For instance (not specifically in this case) it might be that individuals, or certain individuals, might be receiving threats of harm from people who have misplaced beliefs that they have committed a crime. I expect that the reason behind that release of personal information will be disclosed at some point. I think we should be patient, and judge whether the decision was right or wrong when the facts are known.
 
My heart goes out to Paul Ansell and all the family of course. So very hard to even think of the right words to say to children - (or any aged children in the family) - that their mummy will no longer be with them in their life. More so of course PA and the family are in the deepest of grief themselves at this time.

I personally have been put into that position, as I can imagine some on WS have sadly lost a loved one. My children were 10 and 12 years old at the time their daddy sadly lost his life in a car crash.

I did my best to choose the best way I could to tell my children, they of course were devastated. I can still remember to this day, now 15 years ago, the look on their faces of utter disbelief and a look from them both that I had never seen before on anyone's face.

But I never had all what Paul and his family were put through (the 3 weeks of waiting to find out where NB was) also all what went on via the media, wicked online messages etc.

All I can hope for, and sure all who care will feel the same, is every possible support can be given to Paul, their two young girls and all their families to see them through each day the best that can be.
I appreciate what you wrote, it's very important insight.

I can remember in acute detail when the man came to tell my mum and me (I was five) that my dad had died. That was 35 years ago. Like I said, I remember it acutely well, and I always will. I can only slightly imagine what those girls feel right now and my heart goes out to them.
 
I am thinking about Naya Rivera — although in a more difficult to search and deeper body of water, I understand they only found her once her body rose to the surface. Sounds like how NB was found. It’s difficult to find bodies in bodies of water so this became more of a mystery than it might have been. She must (barring foul play which I think will shortly be ruled out) have been there the whole time :(
She was apparently found in the reeds. Therefore, it's said, not IN the river. I'm still wary of speculating as the family's had enough of that. I just don't remember bad weather that day so I'm thinking it was a fall. I don't want to think anyone who stayed camp site has anything to do with it - which is very near by. It's all so sad.
 
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