Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #4

[Taskforce88]

I understand her to say the timings were from the phone GPS not eye witnesses although I want able to fully concentrate

No mention of her personal phone? Its possible NB had one and is still with her.

 

[kittythehare]

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[Firstsnow4]

Did I hear her right - the people who found her phone at 9:33 didn’t call school until 10:50?

Yes I heard that too! Wondering if that’s correct.

 

[Taskforce88]

What about that bag of evidence from the car park? That wasn’t mentioned at the police conference.

Unrelated case?

 

[heatherc]

What a great presser, that police officer was a shining example of how to communicate without side or disembling. Shes a credit to herself

She was brilliant!

 

[Aliceinwonderland1234]

I don’t like the sound of the 10 minutes & an exit that they don’t have any cctv etc for.
Yes the likelihood is perhaps she went into the river but she could also have left via that entrance by choice or not? Why discount it fully?

 

[Edinlass]

I understand her to say the timings were from the phone GPS not eye witnesses although I want able to fully concentrate

Yes - that bothers me tbh. Movement of someone’s phone doesn’t mean they were the ones moving it. It’s the most likely scenario but you can’t discount everything else.

Tbh I just feel utterly devastated for her and her family. If she did go in the river it means in the space of 15 mins she was in that water, submerged, rendered unconscious enough not to scream for her life and splash and make as much as possible noise and not one person in that area seen/heard her. Such such bad luck if that is the case.

 

[Edinlass]

Did I hear her right - the people who found her phone at 9:33 didn’t call school until 10:50?

Yeah that was an alarm bell. I am so sure on the last police presser she said police were there by 10:30am.

 

[Sarahlou]

What about that bag of evidence from the car park? That wasn’t mentioned at the police conference.

It wasn't connected according to this

Search for missing mother Nicola Bulley: Police seal off car park

Officers taped off Skippool Creek car park by the River Wyre in Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Taskforce88]

The people that found her phone called the school at 10.50? Did they call anyone else?

 

[Bedlam]

Did I hear her right - the people who found her phone at 9:33 didn’t call school until 10:50?

If I remember correctly they said the person who found the phone was not familiar with NB or Willow, and it was only when they met other dog walkers later who knew NB, was it realised who the phone and dog actually belonged to.

 

[todders]

I noticed that the police were interested in the 10min window between 9.10 (last sighting) and 9.20 (phone on bench). I wonder why that is? If they assumed she reached the bench with her phone, surely it’s the 9.20-9.35 time period when something happened? Unless they still think something could have happened between 9.10-9.20 and her phone was placed at the bench after. Im struggling to see anything other than an accident now with cctv covering most exits. Unless any of the witnesses are lying of course. JMO.

I mean it could be that the phones own health tracker tracked a number of steps maybe matched roughly with the Fitbit data, placing NB in that area.IMO

 

[supersleuth123]

I hope this doesn't seem insensitive, but under controlled conditions with a life-guard nearby, it would be useful to reconstruct someone of similar age/size falling into the river at that exact point wearing the exact same clothing.
Does the volunteer immediately get into serious trouble? Are they able to surface, if so, how quickly? If they surface without panicking too much, how well can they tread water, can they hold onto the side, for how long? If they are unable to surface, or tread water, where do they end up in 30 seconds? What happens to their clothing - does it fall off, at all? Etc. I suppose it's pointless because they'd never be able to do it...

 

[hopesxcase]

Yes - that bothers me tbh. Movement of someone’s phone doesn’t mean they were moving.

Tbh I just feel utterly devastated for her and her family. If she did go in the river it means in the space of 15 mins she was in that water, submerged and not one person in that area seen her. Such such bad luck if that is the case.

I agree, if this is what has happened then the amount of bad luck fallen her way is unbelievable.

 

[maxnewb]

Sorry I'm a bit of a noob at replying from previous threads but the below was a response to someone questioning why she couldn't get herself out (if this is what happened)

This is all personal anecdote but I jumped (not fell) into a river in an attempt to end my life around 6 years ago and basically the second I hit the water I regretted it. Even though I was expecting the cold I can't overstate the shock your body goes into, it's like I turned into a stone. I consider myself a very strong swimmer, happily will swim in the sea but genuinely my body was unable to move and I had no air in my lungs. I was wearing shoes so kicking around was impossible and I just basically accepted I had made my bed by jumping in, and even though I really wanted to get out, I couldn't. Anyway luckily a DPD driver was out delivering nearby late at night, saw me and rescued me but without anyone there I would have easily gone under. This was the river tees too so not a very big or very strong river.


All completely anecdotal of course but just an insight into how even a very strong capable swimmer can be shocked by cold water/fear/panic and not be able to get out

Local to me that.

There was the sad case of Luke Jobson round here as well. Went missing near Yarm school, police divers searched for miles around and he was found very close to where it was known he had entered the water.

So many difficult factors to take into consideration when it comes to searching water with such terrible visibility.

 

[heatherc]

I hope this doesn't seem insensitive, but under controlled conditions with a life-guard nearby, it would be useful to reconstruct someone of similar age/size falling into the river at that exact point wearing the exact same clothing.
Does the volunteer immediately get into serious trouble? Are they able to surface, if so, how quickly? If they surface without panicking too much, how well can they tread water, can they hold onto the side, for how long? If they are unable to surface, or tread water, where do they end up in 30 seconds? What happens to their clothing - does it fall off, at all? Etc. I suppose it's pointless because they'd never be able to do it...

There is too many different variables in what may of happened to be able to replicate it, imo

 

[JeremyBentham]

The fact her mobile phone was found at the scene makes me think it was an accident as surely an attacker would have chucked it in the river to dispose of it quickly. JMO

Also I'm assuming the dog would have protected Nicola and the attacker would have therefore kicked (or worse) the dog to subdue it and therefore there'd have been injuries to the dog, the dog would be more aggressive or subdued when found rather than frantic/confused. I do feel it is likely it is just a tragic accident but it's the not knowing exactly what happened between the bench and the river that is so puzzling, and unfortunately we may never know.

If this is the case, the not knowing what happened between that bench and the river would kill me. I would be forever thinking it over in my head. Tragic for all that know her.

 

[Taskforce88]

If this is the case, the not knowing what happened between that bench and the river would kill me. I would be forever thinking it over in my head. Tragic for all that know her.

Yep. Hopefully when NB is recovered they will learn more about her final moments.

 

[infinit]

I hope this doesn't seem insensitive, but under controlled conditions with a life-guard nearby, it would be useful to reconstruct someone of similar age/size falling into the river at that exact point wearing the exact same clothing.
Does the volunteer immediately get into serious trouble? Are they able to surface, if so, how quickly? If they surface without panicking too much, how well can they tread water, can they hold onto the side, for how long? If they are unable to surface, or tread water, where do they end up in 30 seconds? What happens to their clothing - does it fall off, at all? Etc. I suppose it's pointless because they'd never be able to do it...

Even if they knew exactly where she went in I'm not sure it'd prove a lot. Did she go head first and bang her head on the bottom? Did she slip and go feet first? Was she injured before she hit the water?

Never mind the fact someone prepared and knowing they're going to enter a river is going to act vastly different to someone who one second was on a dog walk and the next in near sub-zero water.

 

[Kassanddra]

What about that bag of evidence from the car park? That wasn’t mentioned at the police conference.

She did say that they had found nothing so far. So the fact that they re-opened the car park so quick, I would make assumptions that what they found wasn’t relevant/didn’t belong to Nicola My opinion.