Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #7

[Just-a-random-girl]

That would be a very risky and dangerous move IMO

What about the officer / volunteer also succumbed to the cold?

Also it’s very difficult to reconstruct an ‘unplanned fall’ - any situation with an officer/volunteer would be different as they’d be expecting to go into the water.

Not risky at all...I said a POOL! Like, an indoor swimming pool.

Normal swimming and rescue lessons include going into a pool with clothes on. I'm sure a police diver or a coastguard or lifeguard type can do this safely.

The test is the effects of the clothing and, in particular, the coat. Would it seriously constrict? Would the water make it heavy? Would it end up over their head?

 

[Deleted member 320164]

This is why I am confused by the ‘10 minute window.’ In my opinion anything could have been happening after the last sighting which was approximately 9.10. Even after the phone was found at approximately 9.33 things could have been happening.

I agree. It’s a 20 mins window between last being seen and having disappeared. Something may have been ongoing while the dog and items were found. There’s then another window until 10.50 odd when PA was contacted.

 

[rosieposie121]

Do we know if the dog ever goes in the water at all usually?

 

[cottonweaver]

Does anyone have any information about the ‘deep hole’ area, I’ve searched and can’t find much at all, because just because that’s what it’s ‘called’ doesn’t mean it’s an accurate description… there are many pictures of search teams in the area around the bench that are barely waist high…

I actually know of a walk (officially and street signed) named ‘the glory hole’ and I can assure you, it’s far from glorious.

Is this what you meant? No 7 on their map

From the anglers' website

 

[MollyHarps]

Not risky at all...I said a POOL! Like, an indoor swimming pool.

Normal swimming and rescue lessons include going into a pool with clothes on. I'm sure a police diver or a coastguard or lifeguard type can do this safely.

The test is the effects of the clothing and, in particular, the coat. Would it seriously constrict? Would the water make it heavy? Would it end up over their head?

Sorry I retracted my comment on post above but you must’ve quoted me prior!

I re read and noticed that you said a pool.

Apologies

 

[ayrshireguy]

Do we know if the dog ever goes in the water at all usually?

Yes plenty

 

[Mr X]

It seems plausible that if there is a deep part of the River it could also involve some recirculating currents or eddies.

I'm sure people who search rivers know about this. One does wonder how intensive the search has been in the immediate area. Lets say within 100 metres of the bench where the phone was found. No stone unturned. Get everything out of the River in that location. Miss nothing at all.

 

[GTB72]

I think it’s highly unlikely they’d call a knee length jacket an ankle length one, that they would call jeans tucked into socks socks tucked into jeans, that would call Garstang Road Garstang Lane, mostly I find it highly unlikely that any police force would decide a person had fallen into the river without a scrap of evidence they went near the river’s edge. Yet they have done all these things.

Apart from anything else - even if they have cast iron testimony that a witness found the phone on the bench, they cannot be sure that the phone was not picked up by another walker and placed there.

I think that's why they appealed for dashcam footage at 9.10-9.15. If NB was captured on footage then unless she immediately turned tail and went back to the bench someone would to have to have placed the phone on the bench on her behalf.

 

[todders]

Me too! And I grew up in Garstang
Many of our roads round there are called "XXXX Lane", but I can't really think of any paths being called "YYYY Lane".

I understand Firstsnow4 has inferred/deduced that Ms Riley appears to be calling the footpath by the side of the river as "Garstang Lane", and I agree that's what she means. But I'd be very interested to hear from anybody in St Michaels if it is ever referred to as that.

I've worked this out from the Royal Mail address finder ....

From Garstang direction the A586 is called Garstang Road up until the river,
Once you cross the bridge, from the Garstang direction, then it becomes Blackpool Road.
Furthermore it does not find any "Garstang Lane, St Michaels", or "Blackpool Lane, St Michaels".

As for Google/Apple rewriting road names ..... moving swiftly on ...

If she'd just said "the path by the river up towards the A586 bridge", or "the church", or "back the way she came", or used a diagram ....

This has taken me about an hour to establish ...... is it too late to open a bottle of wine ??

I think we all have had a go at trying to work out the path and the route at some point during this investigation, it would have been really helpful if the police had put up a map during the press conference and went through exactly the route and where they were looking for more information from. We have all worked it out now but it has been more diffult than it needed to be. IMO

 

[rosieposie121]

Yes plenty

How do we know?

 

[SpursGyal]

Is this what you meant? No 7 on their map

From the anglers' website
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Is this what you meant? No 7 on their map

From the anglers' website
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Yes, but while it’s called Deep Hole, that doesn’t give any information about the depth.

These aren’t all named on a factual description…

 

[msmarple99]

Do we know if the dog ever goes in the water at all usually?

Yes she does, lots of pics on NB Facebook

 

[rosieposie121]

Yes she does, lots of pics on NB Facebook

Ok thanks

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I don’t know what to think anymore.

If they find her in the river we’ll always wonder if it was an accident or maybe something else.

If they don’t find her we’ll wonder if they just couldn’t locate her, or if she was never in the river at all.

Sleuthing, by its nature, makes us inquisitive and suspicious, but tragic accidents do happen and sometimes people aren’t recovered. I’m worried it’s going to end up a cold case so I really hope she’s found soon; better to know than not know.

 

[wackyw]

Although I thought the tide came over the Weir the gaugemap levels seem to show otherwise.

There was a fairly significant flood event there recently but it was well before the MP disappeared.

GaugeMap – Latest River, Flow and Groundwater Levels Map for Britain & Ireland

River, Flow and Groundwater level updates from over 3,000 Environment Agency stations.

www.gaugemap.co.uk

It does rain a bit up there sometimes ... if you're interested in how much, and how it's it's held 5 miles up river and then let loose "in a controllable fashion" down towards St Michaels then have a look on Youtube for ...

"Garstang Flood Barrier in Operation 6 December 2015"​

 

[Tyzer]

If NB is not found in the river then I wonder what the police will do? Go back to the beginning and start again or double down.

 

[PandaMarch]

Not risky at all...I said a POOL! Like, an indoor swimming pool.

Normal swimming and rescue lessons include going into a pool with clothes on. I'm sure a police diver or a coastguard or lifeguard type can do this safely.

The test is the effects of the clothing and, in particular, the coat. Would it seriously constrict? Would the water make it heavy? Would it end up over their head?

they don't need to, they have experts in water, drowning etc to consult

 

[Deleted member 320164]

M

Hi, a Brit living in the USA here.

I spent years and years around rivers in the UK and I can tell you one thing for sure - if you fall in a river which is deeper than your height (as Nicola may have done in bench area) and the river is around 40F in temperature, which it is at this time of year and you are wearing wellies / wellingtons (rubber boots ) (as Nicola was) - then, even if you are a very strong swimmer, it's just about impossible to get out.

The boots fill with water within seconds and act like lead weights on your feet. Also, once they have water in them, you cannot get them off under water.

That fact, coupled with the temperature of the water, the depth of the water where she may have fallen in, and her other bulky clothing means that it is highly likely she will have drowned, probably within 30 seconds.

I fimly believe and feel that she did fall in, my only surprise thus far is that her body hasn't been found. The river Wyre flows at a pace of about 2 MPH in that stretch which is still fast enough to have her near the estuary or out into the sea within a day. On this note I disagree strongly with Peter Faulding from SGI who believes "there is no way" she can have reached the estuary by now. But we will shall see. I still hope and pray she is alive.

He says that the river beyond the weir is shallow and rocky and it would be difficult for a body to pass that area. He’s seen it, we haven’t.

 

[kittythehare]

Do we know if the dog ever goes in the water at all usually?

From photographs in MSM over the past several days.

 

[kev4pe]

Can anyone enlighten me on whether romanwater has been searched?. On the map there is a lake or something there