Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #7

[JennieM]

Cannot recall offhand if NB was wearing a ring on her finger or not, but - if she did not wear gloves to throw a ball for example, a ring can go flying off and that would be something many might blindly chase after (and fall?) speculation, imo.

LE has not mentioned any rings, just a necklace.

 

[cottonweaver]

JMO I am fairly sure that phones (certainly iOS) do not store their gyroscope position unless being directly queried and stored by an app in use. Continuously writing the values of the accelerometer would mean storing a huge amount of data due to how often a phone moves.

Retrieving this data certainly wasn’t an option with earlier versions of iOS but this may well have changed.

same

Am not techie but I also assumed phone didn't store gyro log unless an app was running that used it ( and afaik LE can't get the Fitbit data. Fitbit does use gyro but hadn't synched with her phone since the previous Tuesday)

 

[ginnyw]

I go round in circles, moving from: she knew the area; dog was dry; she was described as a very strong swimmer to: how could anything else have happened in such a short space of time unseen by others in broad daylight, other than a terrible accident? Then remember my own experience of being grabbed in broad daylight in a public place by a river, and off the cycle goes again.

 

[brownbeef1975]

Yes, I have my suspicions too but I won't allude them.



Can you pm them to me?!

 

[PS8800]

I didn’t mention a theory? - He still remains confident she’d have been found by now. If we get to the end of the their search and he says she’s not there, I’ll believe him.

Theres a difference between her not being there and him missing her though. This isnt 100% fail proof but I suppose if you dont think she drowned then yes this may confirm that for you.

 

[ayrshireguy]

The image below there’s the “beach” circled and there’s like a structure/turnaround road type of thing and a road leading off. That’s near where Nicola last seen isn’t it? Would that be a potential route out across the river if shallow enough?

The floodgates

 

[Firstsnow4]

I go round in circles, moving from: she knew the area; dog was dry; she was described as a very strong swimmer to: how could anything else have happened in such a short space of time unseen by others in broad daylight, other than a terrible accident? Then remember my own experience of being grabbed in broad daylight in a public place by a river, and off the cycle goes again.

Sorry this has happened to you - must have been terrifying.

 

[Beginnersleuth]

The floodgates

Ah! I’m not countryside-y. So not a place anyone could cross/be an exit out?

 

[wackyw]

I wish whoever is making these graphics and offering narrative could sort out their "Lanes" and "Roads". I have been tying my brain in knots until someone up thread explained that the path alongside the river from Blackpool Lane is evidently called Garstang Lane. This image calls it Garstang Road which is actually the A586 further north which becomes Blackpool Lane. The location of the bench/harnes/phone is also incorrect I think on this graphic. Confused?...I am!

Me too! And I grew up in Garstang
Many of our roads round there are called "XXXX Lane", but I can't really think of any paths being called "YYYY Lane".

I understand Firstsnow4 has inferred/deduced that Ms Riley appears to be calling the footpath by the side of the river as "Garstang Lane", and I agree that's what she means. But I'd be very interested to hear from anybody in St Michaels if it is ever referred to as that.

I've worked this out from the Royal Mail address finder ....

From Garstang direction the A586 is called Garstang Road up until the river,
Once you cross the bridge, from the Garstang direction, then it becomes Blackpool Road.
Furthermore it does not find any "Garstang Lane, St Michaels", or "Blackpool Lane, St Michaels".

As for Google/Apple rewriting road names ..... moving swiftly on ...

If she'd just said "the path by the river up towards the A586 bridge", or "the church", or "back the way she came", or used a diagram ....

This has taken me about an hour to establish ...... is it too late to open a bottle of wine ??

 

[russeverton]

I didn’t mention a theory? - He still remains confident she’d have been found by now. If we get to the end of the their search and he says she’s not there, I’ll

Yes I agree hes getting a lot of stick for travelling 250 miles helping out with expert tech for free and his team putting there lives at risk. Like him or not he knows exactly what hes doing and talking about.

 

[PS8800]

I go round in circles, moving from: she knew the area; dog was dry; she was described as a very strong swimmer to: how could anything else have happened in such a short space of time unseen by others in broad daylight, other than a terrible accident? Then remember my own experience of being grabbed in broad daylight in a public place by a river, and off the cycle goes again.

Strong swimmers-more so than her, have drowned in rivers. Its the nature of the river.

I think the dog is the key to this. the dog would have been wet or barking at the river. I think the dog has seen too late that she has exited by the gate (either by her own or by force)

its possible the dog was barking at the river…there is a reason after all the police believe she did end up in there…

 

[GTB72]

How do I do that?

 

[MollyHarps]

Police could test this out by dressing an officer or volunteer in a similar outfit and seeing the effect on the clothing in falling in, and then trying to exit, a pool or something.

As the jacket was quite thick and long, albeit knee-length not ankle-length, I am wondering if - on entering the water - the bottom half could have ended up over her head. In that case, she might not be see to see/move.

That would be a very risky and dangerous move IMO

What about the officer / volunteer also succumbed to the cold?

Also it’s very difficult to reconstruct an ‘unplanned fall’ - any situation with an officer/volunteer would be different as they’d be expecting to go into the water.

Edit: just saw you said a pool not the river - I retract my comments!

 

[Deleted member 320164]

RSBM

But don't you think the police have interviewed the two witnesses extensively and received an answer about where exactly the phone was found?

It seems unlikely to me the witnesses could have been confused about this point.

I think it’s highly unlikely they’d call a knee length jacket an ankle length one, that they would call jeans tucked into socks socks tucked into jeans, that would call Garstang Road Garstang Lane, mostly I find it highly unlikely that any police force would decide a person had fallen into the river without a scrap of evidence they went near the river’s edge. Yet they have done all these things.

Apart from anything else - even if they have cast iron testimony that a witness found the phone on the bench, they cannot be sure that the phone was not picked up by another walker and placed there.

 

[PS8800]

Police could test this out by dressing an officer or volunteer in a similar outfit and seeing the effect of the clothing in falling in, and then trying to exit, a pool or something.

As the jacket was quite thick and long, albeit knee-length not ankle-length, I am wondering if - on entering the water - the bottom half could have ended up over her head. In that case, she might not be able to see/move.

Im wondering what effect duck down would have. Did we establish if she had the gilet on? That looks like it could be down if its the one she had on in alot of her FB pics

 

[cottonweaver]

I've just been searching for the water temp in the River Wyre, to no avail. Has this been mentioned on this thread?

can't find it
but the local river users said

A source from St Michael's Angling Association said the stretch of river where Ms Bulley vanished is notorious and 'very dangerous', with a depth of about 15ft.

'The combination of the depth and how cold it is at this time of year makes it very dangerous,' he told The Times.

'I certainly would not want to fall in there and I'm a very strong swimmer.'

Link:

Found Deceased - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #5

Cctv of her on the day has now been released. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-64530529 Is it only the friend who has released these images, or LE? This outfit is quite unlike the one the police described, to the best of my recollection. Did NB get changed before her walk?

www.websleuths.com

 

[Night Shift]

Hi, a Brit living in the USA here.

I spent years and years around rivers in the UK and I can tell you one thing for sure - if you fall in a river which is deeper than your height (as Nicola may have done in bench area) and the river is around 40F in temperature, which it is at this time of year and you are wearing wellies / wellingtons (rubber boots ) (as Nicola was) - then, even if you are a very strong swimmer, it's just about impossible to get out.

The boots fill with water within seconds and act like lead weights on your feet. Also, once they have water in them, you cannot get them off under water.

That fact, coupled with the temperature of the water, the depth of the water where she may have fallen in, and her other bulky clothing means that it is highly likely she will have drowned, probably within 30 seconds.

I fimly believe and feel that she did fall in, my only surprise thus far is that her body hasn't been found. The river Wyre flows at a pace of about 2 MPH in that stretch which is still fast enough to have her near the estuary or out into the sea within a day. On this note I disagree strongly with Peter Faulding from SGI who believes "there is no way" she can have reached the estuary by now. But we will shall see. I still hope and pray she is alive.

 

[ayrshireguy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623066787406311437

 

[SpursGyal]

Does anyone have any information about the ‘deep hole’ area, I’ve searched and can’t find much at all, because just because that’s what it’s ‘called’ doesn’t mean it’s an accurate description… there are many pictures of search teams in the area around the bench that are barely waist high…

I actually know of a walk (officially and street signed) named ‘the glory hole’ and I can assure you, it’s far from glorious.

 

[PS8800]

Hi, a Brit living in the USA here.

I spent years and years around rivers in the UK and I can tell you one thing for sure - if you fall in a river which is deeper than your height (as Nicola may have done in bench area) and the river is around 40F in temperature, which it is at this time of year and you are wearing wellies / wellingtons (rubber boots ) (as Nicola was) - then, even if you are a very strong swimmer, it's just about impossible to get out.

The boots fill with water within seconds and act like lead weights on your feet. Also, once they have water in them, you cannot get them off under water.

That fact, coupled with the temperature of the watre, the depth of the water where she may have fallen in, and her other bulky clothing means that it is highly likely she will have drowned, probably within 30 seconds.

I fimly believe and feel that she did fall in, my only surprise thus far is that her body hasn't been found. The river Wyre flows at a pace of about 2 MPH in that stretch which is still fast enough to have near the estuary or out into the sea within a day. On this note I disagree stronly with Peter Faulding from SGI who believes "there is no way" she can have reached the estuary by now. But we will shall see. I still hope and pray she is alive.

I dont think people understand it really doesnt matter how strong a swimmer you are in this case…its a no win situation…yet it keeps being mentioned. Theres plenty research can be done to prove this.