Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #8

[I wonder]

Speaking as a UK citizen, a reputed nation of animal lovers, I do wonder if this case would still be making news a week later if there was not a dog involved.

I'm a UK citizen and am absolutely certain that I speak for the nation when I say that we also care a great on people and would do anything and everything to help someone in need.

Nicola is a fairly young mum with two small children who has either been subjected to a horrifying abduction and goodness knows what or drowned a terrifying death.

All this whilst walking her dog in a familiar place, something millions of us do every day.

We're also emotionally involved because any one of us could Nicola.

 

[hedgetog]

Interesting post. I have been thinking along the same lines but not mentioned it.

With all this talk about CCTV/dashcams/door cams etc not picking up any evidence of her leaving the path or field area, there is no mention of any record either (not that I have seen anyway), of her en route to, or entering the area. This I feel surely would have helped with identification and confirmation of clothing etc. and perhaps timelines and any other persons nearby.

Not sure how relevant that is but just my thinking, like.

Yes I'm the same, not sure of the relevance but it still seems fairly strange. Usually in these cases the 'last sighting' on CCTV/cam is distributed isn't it, probably as it gives the best memory jog. It seemed to take a while for the home images to be released (and this wasn't via the police was it?) yet the police were very clear that paying attention to the clothing was very important; why not release an image then? Either they don't have one but they also haven't appealed for any, or they do and there are other reasons- JMO.

"It’s really important that the public pay heed to those very specific clothing descriptions please, because factual sightings of those items would be very useful to us."

Taken as a direct quote from: Police reveal what missing dog walker Nicola Bulley was wearing before she vanished (along with many other MSM outlets).

 

[cottonweaver]

There's been a continuing narrative recently that Lancs Police have been ignoring the theory of a third party criminal element to this case.

We've seen a few people on TV News claim this and the Superintendent of LancsPolice was very emphatic about this at the last press conference yesterday and returned to the point several times

In case people missed it, here's the link and the transcript UK - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #7

and here's an extract of what she said:

'The enquiry team remains fully open minded to any information that may indicate where Nicola is, or what happened to her.

Throughout this investigation, as I've said, we remain fully open to any information, any information, that is credible and factual to try and trace Nicola and bring answers for her family, but it does remain our belief that Nicola sadly fell into the river and that this is a missing person enquiry. But it is important to stress that any information that comes in, that indicates otherwise, is being checked out all the time and negated as each enquiry comes up. We're not closed, in anyway, to any particular line of enquiry and we remain genuinely open to that.

We have engaged with and worked shoulder to shoulder with a number of very specific experts, as I mentioned earlier. These include the National Crime Agency, who have reviewed all of the police investigation so far and have not identified any other lines of enquiry other than what we had already identified. Likewise, we are working with the Police National Search Advisor, who again, has not identified anything in the search strategy or the search area, the physical parameters, that we have not already explored

( Superintendent then went on to explain why this river is complex from a search pov because these issues are likely connected. )

 

[wallaby]

Missing mum texted her friend a significant message minutes before going missing

Mum-of-two Nicola Bulley, 45, disappeared while walking her springer spaniel along a river towpath in St Michaels on Wyre, Lancashire, after dropping her daughters at school

www.mirror.co.uk

My apologies, THIS, is the article that supports my earlier post.

Her father says Nicola had just sorted HER mortgage and was pleased to have done so, additionally she had been working hard on a client negotiation. Presumably then, a ‘remortgage’?

I think a malevolent perp is very unlikely as the police have clearly said. St Riley & team would NOT have the public traipsing freely & endanger the public, plus. The police have a clear context they have to sensitivity share when timing is ‘right’ as was said yesterday.

I noticed this too as well as other things. Some family and friends have seemed very against this line of thought which is maybe why police are treading so carefully with public statements. Would be a very hard situation for them to come to terms with if it’s the case so it is understandable .

Edited for typo

 

[JimmyBets]

Yes I'm the same, not sure of the relevance but it still seems fairly strange. Usually in these cases the 'last sighting' on CCTV/cam is distributed isn't it, probably as it gives the best memory jog. It seemed to take a while for the home images to be released (and this wasn't via the police was it?) yet the police were very clear that paying attention to the clothing was very important; why not release an image then? Either they don't have one but they also haven't appealed for any, or they do and there are other reasons- JMO.

"It’s really important that the public pay heed to those very specific clothing descriptions please, because factual sightings of those items would be very useful to us."

Taken as a direct quote from: Police reveal what missing dog walker Nicola Bulley was wearing before she vanished (along with many other MSM outlets).

^^^100% this ^^^

 

[DFR3217]

Gotcha thanks!

• We've now identified around 700 vehicles that drove through the village on that morning on the 27th. January at around 9:10-9:15 and we're in the process of speaking to all of those drivers to try and find out if they have any dashcam footage, what they saw on that day or anything else that may be of value to the police enquiry.

Looks more like they are seeking someone entering at that time rather than leaving, doesn't it?
That would suggest they already know exactly who was in the park before that time?

The 9.10 sighting is a given.
The 9.20 laying down of phone on bench is pretty certain too..

What do you make of it?
Somebody that entered before she actually reached the bench?
In time to meet her at the bench?

Have they chosen the time limit for cars in the village to create a manageable search, rather than because it's a significant time in terms of events closer to NB? Presumably they've used cctv to identify those 700 cars.

 

[Beckxsy]

Who actually seen nicola that morning walking the dog ?

 

[JeremyBentham]

Have there been any other cases where someone has fallen into a river and not been found after 10 days - with searches and divers being on the scene within hours of the suspected entry point, helicopters (possibly using infrared), sonar and then specialist sonar scanning of most of the river?

I know people don't get discovered after weeks sometimes, but in those cases are the response times as quick as here, with a suspected entry point, and to this extent with all this equipment. Just curious, as I haven't followed many other cases like this.

I know about Libby Squire, but I don't believe the river searches started as quickly as here or if the same technology was used, or how different (or more difficult) that river was compared to the Wyre?

 

[Fishwick]

Who actually seen nicola that morning walking the dog ?

Unsurprisingly police aren't releasing names of witnesses, seeing as their are a bunch of ridiculous crime tourists at the scene scouring abandoned houses.

 

[pineapple23]

A possible reason for police being so sure the body is in the river could be because it has already been found but deliberately not recovered while there was a public audience.

All JMO.

I really can't see that. Why would you not put an end to the the family's torment? Unless the family are in on it and putting on a good act - and I can't see that either. Plus while this goes on, it's costing money AND they are the focus of media attention and criticism.

 

[kev4pe]

Interesting that NB Facebook page was only created in 2021. Did she maybe have another facebook account that she removed?

 

[Rawler23]

The estuary opens into the sea between Fleetwood and Knott End. However the estuary is very wide and open several miles before that. It widens a few miles upstream of Shard Bridge, which links Hambleton and Singleton.

Edited to add - sorry no photos but giving locations because they might help with a google search.

Thanks for this. Have googled my heart out and cannot find! I’m curious to know how the river meets the sea. Really hope she isn’t there.

 

[cottonweaver]

I honestly believe it's just pot luck sometimes. Some garner the media's attention in a big way and others get virtually no coverage.

I am surprised the media picked up on this one though considering the police from the get go have said there's a high probability she's in the river. Not much of a story to that scenario.

IIRC it was the Mail who went down the 'Mystery' angle big time, at the outset. ( Then the rest followed on in the same vein)

same vein this morning even though the new news was that NCA have already reviewed lancsPolice investigation and that there's an inquiry involving 700 vehicle users ( in case they have dash cam)

( have cropped the images out- too big to paste)

 

[hedgetog]

Yes. She sent email to boss followed by text to friend prior to logging into Teams.
She met boss the evening before disappearing. He travelled to meet her from quite a distance away. Could be problems relating to work

Personally I work largely remotely now and don't see anything strange about something travelling a fair distance for a face to face meeting, nor sending personal messages amongst work stuff. I shouldn't admit this I suppose but I often use teams updates (camera and microphone off) to catch up on personal messages as well as work ones- especially on a Friday to sort/wrap stuff up before the weekend. If they're weekly or monthly or whatever you get to know the ones that won't require your input and to be honest that you can just half pay attention to. Now there isn't a base office as such we recruit people from further afield but still conduct some stuff in person- some of the team travel a fair distance for those meetings. I'm not saying this is the case here or claiming to have any insight, but generally in the world of remote working lots of things have changed that might have seemed weird before.

JMO but I don't think it suggests anything, the police did say early on they were looking into the teams meeting etc so seems they did cover all bases in that regard.

 

[Beckxsy]

Unsurprisingly police aren't releasing names of witnesses, seeing as their are a bunch of ridiculous crime tourists at the scene scouring abandoned houses.

Well I can understand that for sure. So key witness man with white dog. Did this witness see nicola that morning ?

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

I noticed this too as well as well as other things. Some family and friends have seemed very against this line of thought which is maybe why police are treading so carefully with public statements. Would be a very hard situation for them to come to terms with if it’s the case so it is understandable .

Yes absolutely, an absolutely impossible situation, but it would explain why they, the police, are keen to focus on another part of the river & why Peter F is possibly currently confused. It would explain the interview with a family member, too wouldn’t it? The stages of grief… If so, all really should be much more confidential. Sadly, in today’s world, almost impossible.

Nicola looked to be/is a truly genuinely amazing person in all the ways that truly matter. I wonder if she knew/knows? Cerebral too. I imagine she’d be amazed if she knew the traction this had gained…

 

[Normal Norm]

I agree. If she exited there either by choice or compelled - Where would she go?

Snipped by me for focus.

Nicola could have walked straight across the road and got back onto the river bank downstream of the bridge / Blackpool Lane.

Link to Google Earth

 

[pineapple23]

I know people don't get discovered after weeks sometimes, but in those cases are the response times as quick as here, with a suspected entry point, and to this extent with all this equipment. Just curious, as I haven't followed many other cases like this.

The main instances I can think of are the sort of cases when x hasn't been seen since leaving a pub after closing. Then it turns out that they fell in the river on the way home. In this instance there is quite a narrow collection of indicators in terms of location, timing etc. Plus it's pretty definite that 'something' happened.

 

[Miss_French]

Think you would have to be living on the moon to have not. Could have understood it when there were only 3 tv channels and a handful of papers but not in this day age of consecutively.

You'd be surprised. I know a lot of other high-profile news stories of which people are not aware, because they don't bother watching TV news or don't click on non-local stories on social media. Took me a while to find out about Corrie Mckeague going missing when it happened on my doorstep! Last night wasn't just 'some missing woman', details were known.

 

[JeremyBentham]

Well I can understand that for sure. So key witness man with white dog. Did this witness see nicola that morning ?

According to that witness, Yes. Nicola was last seen at 09:10 in the upper field by another person.

EDIT: Removed an incorrect piece of information.

"9.10am (approximately): A witness – somebody who knows Nicola – saw her on the upper field walking her dog, Willow. Work is ongoing today to establish exactly what time this was."

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