UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #14

[May72031]

Timeline of concerns being raised

June 2015: Brearley investigates and escalates to Director of Nursing his concern of LLs association to events. Brierly even says himself "No, not lovely Lucy"

Oct 15: Dr Ravi says from then on they had real concerns about LL and raised it with Director of Nursing

Feb 2016: Liverpool Womens investigate and report sent to Director of Nursing.

Feb 2016: Dr Ravi Jarayam raises concerns again to D of N and Medical Director. Ask for meeting but didnt hear back for 3mths ie May 16

24th June: Brearley asks Karen Rees to suspend LL, KR says no

30th June 16: Dr J emails his concerns after the consultant meeting day before

So, we now know concerns about LL had been raised a YEAR before she was moved to admin...

 

[Parker Knoll]

I do !
I was in Washington ( US not Tyne & Wear ! )
It rained all day long.

 

[Tortoise]

So, we now know concerns about LL had been raised a YEAR before she was moved to admin...

yes, which if you think about it, rather nullifies the whole defence case, being as she was identified before 13 of the incidents she was subsequently involved with. IMO

I'm not sure it was a good idea for her barrister to pursue that line of questioning.

 

[Becci]

So

Sorry Becci, I don't understand any of that!

I said yesterday maybe someone watch her but like u say it sounds ridiculous so then i thought baby monitor

 

[Imogenia]

I think her loss of composure is referring to "blubbering" with him as they discuss again later. Other nurse faffing was different baby - during baby N's intubation.

I think LL has misunderstood him. My interpretation is she thought he was thanking her for being there during the resus of baby O, and she follows up with no need to thank me & 'we work well together', but he has to tell her he was thanking her for being there for him, and then adds we do work well together.

Disconnect IMO.

It’s as though he is trying to establish closeness between them. He’s trying harder to do that than she is, in my opinion.

 

[ColourPurple]

Has this been reported elsewhere? Did she actually say this? Can this actually be true?

The full exchange in other articles said "happy to take responsibility" rather than just happy:

"Karen Rees said 'no' to that and that there was no evidence. I put it to her was she happy to take responsibility for this decision in view of the fact that myself and my consultant colleagues all wouldn't be happy with nurse Letby going to work the following day.

"She responded she was happy to take that responsibility. We had further conversations with executives the following week and action was taken."

Doctor asked for Lucy Letby to be taken off shift, court hears

Letby, 33, denies the murders of seven babies and the attempted murders of 10 others between June 2015 and June 2016

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[Tortoise]

"Dr Brearey said there were "no more events" after Letby left the neo-natal unit.

He said: "It was the same staff doing the same job and there were no sudden collapses."

The consultant told Simon Driver, prosecuting, that between the deaths of Child D and Child O he was unaware that two other babies had returned blood results which showed abnormally high insulin levels."

Doctor asked for Lucy Letby to be taken off shift, court hears

Letby, 33, denies the murders of seven babies and the attempted murders of 10 others between June 2015 and June 2016

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

This is really quite powerful evidence IMO.

 

[ColourPurple]

This is really quite powerful evidence IMO.

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"Dr Brearey said there were "no more events" after Letby left the neo-natal unit. He said: "It was the same staff doing the same job and there were no sudden collapses."

And presumably it had been the same staff doing the same job until 2015 too.

I know its been said that we can't make a direct comparison becuase the unit was downgraded on 7 July 2016, a week after LL was moved to clerical duties, but am I right in thinking that meant they would only take babies 32 weeks of age? If so, as several of the babies who had collapsed between June 2015-June 2016 had been over 32 weeks, it would still be significant that there were no more "events" (for babies over 32 weeks old) after LL left the NNU.

 

[esther43]

Has anyone here thought about whether the motive could be sexual? I know that's weird but from an attention seeking point of view? The Dr could be a means to an end or she could have genuinely wanted to get to know him better and thought this was a way to win his attention. I wonder how long she knew him and whether they met in the drs halls of residence.

 

[esther43]

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"Dr Brearey said there were "no more events" after Letby left the neo-natal unit. He said: "It was the same staff doing the same job and there were no sudden collapses."

And presumably it had been the same staff doing the same job until 2015 too.

I know its been said that we can't make a direct comparison becuase the unit was downgraded on 7 July 2016, a week after LL was moved to clerical duties, but am I right in thinking that meant they would only take babies 32 weeks of age? If so, as several of the babies who had collapsed between June 2015-June 2016 had been over 32 weeks, it would still be signifcant that there were no more "events" (for babies over 32 weeks old) after LL left the NNU.

Yes. You are right and most babies are born after 32 weeks, the earlier they are born, the more rare it is generally speaking.

 

[WaxLyrical]

Does anyone remember 'Brexit day' though?

I definitely remember voting that day, and waking up the following morning to the news. ‘One year since the brexit vote’ would definitely have been newsworthy the following year. LL chose not to go and vote after the death of that baby, so I would think there would be enough of an association there to cause a memory trigger.

 

[LorriB]

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"Dr Brearey said there were "no more events" after Letby left the neo-natal unit. He said: "It was the same staff doing the same job and there were no sudden collapses."

And presumably it had been the same staff doing the same job until 2015 too.

I know its been said that we can't make a direct comparison becuase the unit was downgraded on 7 July 2016, a week after LL was moved to clerical duties, but am I right in thinking that meant they would only take babies 32 weeks of age? If so, as several of the babies who had collapsed between June 2015-June 2016 had been over 32 weeks, it would still be significant that there were no more "events" (for babies over 32 weeks old) after LL left the NNU.

Yes they went from being able to take babies up to 27 weeks and birth weight upwards of 800g to 32 weeks and birth weight above 1000g.

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[marynnu]

I definitely remember voting that day, and waking up the following morning to the news. ‘One year since the brexit vote’ would definitely have been newsworthy the following year. LL chose not to go and vote after the death of that baby, so I would think there would be enough of an association there to cause a memory trigger.

Personally I'm just not seeing it. But let's say it's true. Who goes looking for parents on the anniversary of their child's death?

 

[marynnu]

Yes they went from being able to take babies up to 27 weeks and birth weight upwards of 800g to 32 weeks and birth weight above 1000g.

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IMO it's still of some significance, when you look at which babies collapsed/died prior to this. As ColourPurple says, quite a few were 32 weeks plus.

 

[Marantz4250b]

How does she remember exact anniversaries? Is this not the first time ?

Is it possible that something reminded her? I mean like these "remember one year ago" things that phones tend to randomly throw at you?

 

[Imogenia]

Has anyone here thought about whether the motive could be sexual? I know that's weird but from an attention seeking point of view? The Dr could be a means to an end or she could have genuinely wanted to get to know him better and thought this was a way to win his attention. I wonder how long she knew him and whether they met in the drs halls of residence.

I’m wondering if the atmosphere between these two was electric to the point of being noticed by others, (apart from the other nurse who mentioned matters in a text). I’m wondering about the apparent ‘wooing’ chocolates, sweets, offer of his car for her to drive home and he would call round to her place to collect it. She had his attention all right.

 

[Becci]

12 hour shift wd feel like a week to me lol

 

[katydid23]

Is it possible that something reminded her? I mean like these "remember one year ago" things that phones tend to randomly throw at you?

My 'one year ago' memories are usually pix of my granddaughter or my dogs. It is hard to imagine what would have triggered her memories of the dead brothers in her phone a year later. Did she maybe take pictures of their memory box?

 

[katydid23]

First of three triplets 'killed' by nurse Lucy Letby was murdered with injection of air into his bloodstream, medical expert says​

• Dewi Evans says there is no evidence that Baby O's death was accidental
• The leading paediatrician thought the case mirrored that of Baby B

Baby killed with injection of air by nurse Letby, medical expert says

Dewi Evans, a leading paediatrician called in by the prosecution, said he could see no evidence that the collapse of Baby O could have been accidental.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In the aftermath of O's death on the neonatal unit it was discovered that he had suffered a bleed to his liver.

Dr Evans told the jury at Manchester Crown Court he believed the infant's fatal collapse had been caused by the bleeding.

'There is no other reason why this baby could have collapsed, and not only collapsed but where resuscitation was unsuccessful. My feeling was that what came first was the liver haematoma, the liver trauma.

We've heard from the local medical team about the resuscitation they carried out, but the chest compressions didn't get near the liver'.

The paediatrician thought the case mirrored that of Baby B, one of a set of twins, who survived what the prosecution allege was similarly injected with air.

'This was repeating the pattern I'd seen in the second case,' he said. 'It seemed to me that O had been given an injection of air…and I think the injection of air will have caused the final collapse'.

Asked for his own view, he replied: 'My opinion was that his terminal collapse was consistent with him being the victim of an air embolus. I couldn't see any evidence that this could have been caused accidentally'.

Lucy Letby trial: Nurse tried to murder baby a day after doctor asked for her to be removed from duties, court hears — Sky News

A nurse tried to murder a baby just a day after a hospital executive refused to remove her from her duties despite staff concerns, a court has heard.

t.co

Dr Evans rejected an allegation by Ben Myers KC, defending, that his view amounted to simply 'coming up with a mechanism to support this allegation'.

Dr Sandie Bohin, the second paediatric expert brought in by Cheshire Police, also attributed the baby's death to an air embolus. She believed the air had been introduced via a nasogastric tube.

Cross-examined by Mr Myers about the discoloration seen on Baby O's abdomen, she said such markings had been seen in other cases in the trial.

She added: 'Certainly the medical and nursing personnel are sure they've not seen them before or since, but have said that they were graphic'.

She believed that in Baby O's case air could have been placed into his nasogastric tube at the time of a feed.

When interviewed about the alleged murder Letby told detectives that mottled skin was seen regularly in neonates, though not 'to this extent'.

She said she remembered the infant's abdomen repeatedly swelling up. His death was 'unexpected: and it had left her feeling 'shocked and upset'.

Letby agreed she had been caring for Baby O alone at the time a registrar – the one she was frequently messaging on Facebook at the time – had gone to speak to his parents.

When asked who had harmed the baby, she replied: 'It wasn't me'.

She recalled messaging a nursing colleague to suggest a cause of death as sepsis or NEC, a serious inflammation of the gut. She thought that at the time because 'it was a discussion they had all had' on the unit.

 

[katydid23]

Daily Mail made a big mistake in their headline though. No one killed there triplets. Two of the triplets died.

First of three triplets 'killed' by nurse Lucy Letby was murdered with injection of air into his bloodstream, medical expert says​