UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #15

[Sweeper2000]

Ohhhhhh dear, the long awaited results of a proper autopsy are in. Think todays evidence will be a different sort than the questions we are used to. I’m not sure this one is definitely not over the line.

 

[ColourPurple]

What’s that about jealousy? If it was in the podcast must have missed it.

They didnt say for sure it was jealousy but when Dr NiceGuy left LL, after Baby P was ok, and went to the tea room with the female doctor, he was crash called back by LL before the kettle had even boiled.

 

[scottishgal]

The trial has been going on for 6 months now, so exhausting for all of them ......

 

[scottishgal]

can someone give the link to the live updates please from the newspaper that was doing it , thanks so much

 

[katydid23]

JMO if guilty I do feel attention will play a part somewhere..I do wonder if a potential killer may kill based on different emotions

Frustration or being vexed over not nursing babies in itu

Attention from the drama of crash calls

Jealousy when a Dr innocently goes to lunch with a colleague

Enjoying parents grief etc etc

Could someone have a variety of motives depending on their feelings at the time ?

I think it is like an addicted person may react emotionally.

Alcoholics may be able to not drink when they feel strong, but getting angry or frustrated or anxious may trigger them.

Dieters may withstand temptation all day, but maybe a fight with a partner or a bad review by the boss can send them to the bakery after work?

If Guilty, I think LL may have had strong compulsions, which were very hard to deny. She might go weeks or months without doing any harm. But then for some unknown reason, allegedly, a pair of twins, or a baby girl about to be released, would set off something within her that she could not override.

I wonder what happened during her vacation, just before she came back on June 23rd 2016, to care for the identical triplets? Because she , as she said herself, "came back with a Bang!"

It seems, allegedly, that she was kind of out of control for those 3 days. Choosing healthy babies, 4 lbs each, with no underlying maladies, who were all her designated babies, and attacking them three nights in a row, out of the blue?

Was she ,allegedly, trying to get caught and end the nightmare? Or was the compulsion just too hard to deny at that time?

 

[Sweeper2000]

They didnt say for sure it was jealousy but when Dr NiceGuy left LL, after Baby P was ok, and went to the tea room with the female doctor, he was crash called back by LL before the kettle had even boiled.

Is it in the podcast coz I missed the testimony? Is it known if ll even knew he was with This female doctor?

 

[scottishgal]

They didnt say for sure it was jealousy but when Dr NiceGuy left LL, after Baby P was ok, and went to the tea room with the female doctor, he was crash called back by LL before the kettle had even boiled.

omg looks like I missed a lot in the past 2 weeks

 

[Sweeper2000]

can someone give the link to the live updates please from the newspaper that was doing it , thanks so much

I don’t think Chester standard is reporting today, we do have https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue though.

 

[ColourPurple]

Is it in the podcast coz I missed the testimony? Is it known if ll even knew he was with This female doctor?

Yes it's in the podcast and yes she knew, as they'd both just left LL, to go to the tearoom.

 

[Dcflag]

If guilty, I think the triplets were probably a huge trigger. To me it seems like they were targeted to go one after the other and I think the last baby was probably in lieu of the triplet that wasn’t accessible. It’s almost like because they were triplets, she couldn’t control that compulsion even though it was SUCH a risky choice. It wasn’t a case of “I’m back, I’m going to do one” it was a case of “I’m case and I can’t control the need to stake out all three because the opportunity has presented itself to me”

(My opinion, if guilty)

 

[ColourPurple]

omg looks like I missed a lot in the past 2 weeks

I'd recommend listening to the podcasts as there have been days where the reporting in the papers has been almost non-existent.

 

[ColourPurple]

If guilty, I think the triplets were probably a huge trigger. To me it seems like they were targeted to go one after the other and I think the last baby was probably in lieu of the triplet that wasn’t accessible. It’s almost like because they were triplets, she couldn’t control that compulsion even though it was SUCH a risky choice. It wasn’t a case of “I’m back, I’m going to do one” it was a case of “I’m case and I can’t control the need to stake out all three because the opportunity has presented itself to me”

(My opinion, if guilty)

If guilty, she'd allegedly attempted to kill siblings before,with the twin cases, but never been "successful". She knew about the triplets before she was even back on the ward and mentioned that she'd probably be back with a bang. So, if guilty she may have planned to target the triplets as soon as she heard about them, and yes maybe planned to target all three.

IF guilty, IMO etc

 

[marynnu]

Andreas Marnerides

www.guysandstthomas.nhs.uk

The pathologist Andreas Marnerides

Biography​

Andreas Marnerides leads the forensic children's pathology service at Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust. He joined Guy's and St Thomas' in 2013.
Before joining us he was a consultant at the Karolinska University Hospital, Stockholm, Sweden.

Education and training​

• Diploma of medical jurisprudence (DMJ(path)), Society of Apothecaries of London
• Histopathology, perinatal and children's pathology training, Karolinska University Hospital, Stockholm, Sweden
• Forensic medicine and toxicology speciality training, University of Thessaloniki, Greece
• Forensic medicine and toxicology training, University of Athens, Greece
• MD and PhD in autopsy, University of Athens, Greece

Good luck with this one Mr. Myers.

 

[bbsaz]

Any idea why we are hearing about pathology for Baby A now? And not back in Oct/Nov?

 

[ColourPurple]

I think it is like an addicted person may react emotionally.

Alcoholics may be able to not drink when they feel strong, but getting angry or frustrated or anxious may trigger them.

Dieters may withstand temptation all day, but maybe a fight with a partner or a bad review by the boss can send them to the bakery after work?

If Guilty, I think LL may have had strong compulsions, which were very hard to deny. She might go weeks or months without doing any harm. But then for some unknown reason, allegedly, a pair of twins, or a baby girl about to be released, would set off something within her that she could not override.

I wonder what happened during her vacation, just before she came back on June 23rd 2016, to care for the identical triplets? Because she , as she said herself, "came back with a Bang!"

It seems, allegedly, that she was kind of out of control for those 3 days. Choosing healthy babies, 4 lbs each, with no underlying maladies, who were all her designated babies, and attacking them three nights in a row, out of the blue?

Was she ,allegedly, trying to get caught and end the nightmare? Or was the compulsion just too hard to deny at that time?

IF guilty,I don't think she was trying to get caught. I think, like you say it was like an addiction/compulsion/something she enjoyed and she hadn't been able to do it,while she was away in Ibiza so once she was back on the ward she went for it. Did make me wonder if the cluster of alleged attacks in June 2015 was after a return from a holiday too.

IF guilty IMO etc

 

[ColourPurple]

Any idea why we are hearing about pathology for Baby A now? And not back in Oct/Nov?

It mentioned he'll be going through reports (plural) so I'm assuming he'll be going through the reports for other babies too, but could be wrong.

 

[marynnu]

Any idea why we are hearing about pathology for Baby A now? And not back in Oct/Nov?

He works in London, so it just wouldn't be practical to travel up for each case I imagine.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I’m getting a bit ahead here but I think this pathologist may be the nail for the defendants coffin. I’m just a tad bit miffed at the lack of reporting today, I think this is the most serious evidence to date.

 

[Tortoise]

Ohhhhhh dear, the long awaited results of a proper autopsy are in. Think todays evidence will be a different sort than the questions we are used to. I’m not sure this one is definitely not over the line.

I don't quite get what you're saying Sweeper

ETA don't worry, just seen your latest post.

 

[Tortoise]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Dr Marnerides was also asked to review the case of Child C, who died in June 2015. The Crown say Ms Letby murdered the five-days-old boy by injecting air into his stomach through a nose tube, making him unable to breathe.

The medic said in his opinion, on basis of all evidence reviewed Child C's sudden collapse was caused by an 'injection/infusion of air into the NG tube'

Dr Marnerides was asked to review the case of Child D, who also died in June 2015. The Crown say she too was killed by Ms Letby via an injection of air. The medic said from his pathological review, air embolism is the 'likely explanation' for Child D's death