UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #17

[Legal]

I wonder what was voluntary and would never change. Them all going to the police? For me, that seems to fit with the fact you can't discipline them, though that will never change doesn't seem to follow on.

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

I wonder what evidence there'll be today.

 

[Legal]

dbm duplicate post

 

[marynnu]

I wonder what was voluntary and would never change. Them all going to the police? For me, that seems to fit with the fact you can't discipline them, though that will never change doesn't seem to follow on.

I've been puzzling about this too. I wondered for a while if she'd asked about disciplining staff who'd named her to the police, but that doesn't seem to fit.

 

[Dotta]

I don't understand one thing.

If mental health is (allegedly) the issue why wasn't it mentioned at the beginning of the trial?

Is it considered prejduicial?

 

[Marantz4250b]

I don't understand one thing.

If mental health is (allegedly) the issue why wasn't it mentioned at the beginning of the trial?

Is it considered prejduicial?

There could be various reasons; if any MH problems don't reach the bar of her not knowing what she did was wrong (if guilty) then there probably isn't any benefit in mentioning it. Also, she has the right to have her defence conducted as she sees fit so may have said she doesn't want anything like that brought up.

Given the nature and gravity of this case, and the evidence we are now seeing, I'm sure she will have been assessed to confirm that she's fit to stand trial.

If there is an issue, and she's convicted, there may then be discussions around diminished responsibility and suchlike.

Obviously all MOO and I'm far from being an expert on this stuff.

 

[Parker Knoll]

She would of had extensive evaluations prior to trial.
There were so many Ex Parte applications before this case even started I suspect they were put forward then.

 

[ColourPurple]

I wonder what was voluntary and would never change. Them all going to the police? For me, that seems to fit with the fact you can't discipline them, though that will never change doesn't seem to follow on.

I've been puzzling about this too. I wondered for a while if she'd asked about disciplining staff who'd named her to the police, but that doesn't seem to fit.

And the bit about it being voluntary comes from a redacted name so possibly Doc Choc. It does read like she wanted the consultants disciplined for naming her to police. Presumably Doc Choc had told her they had or were going to , as she hadn't been arrested at that point. The voluntary bit could be about her or them talking to police, ie they weren't being arrested or made to talk to the police, thye were doing it voluntarily

 

[ColourPurple]

Interesting points.
I think we may hear more about this in the coming days; dr choc and how that panned out, or not.
I also noted she mentions “Cork” in one of these notes. She had a discussion with dr choc about cork too if I recall? Holiday or her dads work or something.

Think that was Cockington. I hear it's really pretty in summer when the flowers are out...

 

[WaxLyrical]

I’m reading the voluntary bit as though it’s the mediation that might be voluntary and might not happen?

On the other side of that post it, can’t go to AH? Could this be Alder Hey?

 

[Marie Bell]

And the bit about it being voluntary comes from a redacted name so possibly Doc Choc. It does read like she wanted the consultants disciplined for naming her to police. Presumably Doc Choc had told her they had or were going to , as she hadn't been arrested at that point. The voluntary bit could be about her or them talking to police, ie they weren't being arrested or made to talk to the police, thye were doing it voluntarily

My impression was that this was her grievance proceedings. Her grievance was (it appears to me) that they had gone to the police and made accusations about her. One potential outcome in grievances is 'mediation' whereby the aggrieved and the alleged 'wrong-doers' get to hear the other's side of the story, but the 'wrong-doer' has no obligation to consent to that.

 

[ColourPurple]

I don't understand one thing.

If mental health is (allegedly) the issue why wasn't it mentioned at the beginning of the trial?

Is it considered prejduicial?

The defence haven't gone down the diminished repsonsibility route and she would have had to have pleaded guilty for them to do so. Instead they've gone for not guilty but in an anguished state (due to the accusations) when she wrote the notes (or at least the "confession" note).

 

[Sweeper2000]

No idea what to take from these notes. I’m not actually thinking they are signs of issues at all. Seems more like random writing to me.

is that all the notes being presented do we know? just trying to see how they can be applied to the confession note.

 

[ColourPurple]

I’m reading the voluntary bit as though it’s the mediation that might be voluntary and might not happen?

On the other side of that post it, can’t go to AH? Could this be Alder Hey?

My impression was that this was her grievance proceedings. Her grievance was (it appears to me) that they had gone to the police and made accusations about her. One potential outcome in grievances is 'mediation' whereby the aggrieved and the alleged 'wrong-doers' get to hear the other's side of the story, but the 'wrong-doer' has no obligation to consent to that.

Actually yes, that would make sense. Whatever the grievance was, mediation may have been mentioned and somebody (whose name is redacted) may have reassured her that she didn't have to take part in mediation if she didnt want to.

 

[ColourPurple]

No idea what to take from these notes. I’m not actually thinking they are signs of issues at all. Seems more like random writing to me.

is that all the notes being presented do we know? just trying to see how they can be applied to the confession note.

You don't think the notes are signs of any issues at all? Seriously?

With the exception of the blue notes, if I found a friend or colleague had written notes like that, under any circumstances, I would be extremely concerned. They're really disturbing IMO!

 

[marynnu]

Court not sitting today due to juror illness.

 

[Marantz4250b]

You don't think the notes are signs of any issues at all? Seriously?

With the exception of the blue notes, if I found a friend or colleague had written notes like that, under any circumstances, I would be extremely concerned. They're really disturbing IMO!

Agreed. Some of those are totally off the charts!

 

[Sweeper2000]

I’m getting a lot of trauma for sure.

You don't think the notes are signs of any issues at all? Seriously?

With the exception of the blue notes, if I found a friend or colleague had written notes like that, under any circumstances, I would be extremely concerned. They're really disturbing IMO!

It seems coherent enough, obviously laden with emotion. Allot of trauma. it makes sense mostly but is obviously not something alot of thought has gone into. Random jotting down of passing thoughts.

what Is it that you find very disturbing?

seems more like a very traumatised individual who seems to be very desperate indeed.

eta.
on second thought, the note with loadsa names on it is freaking me out a bit. That ones way less coherent and yeh is definitely strange. Not quite sure what to draw from it though.

 

[Legal]

Court not sitting today due to juror illness.

So annoying! I'll have to do some work today then. May distract myself with the Leicester car crash one that is restarting today.

 

[katydid23]

Lucy Letby: The handwritten messages found in her bedroom

HANDWRITTEN messages found by police at Lucy Letby's Chester home have been revealed.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Some new ‘note’ pictures released.

The light green post-it, I can decipher most of it....the words I cannot read I skipped over and put [...]


Monday
Can’t go to AM, clinical area + will be disciplined.

Anticipate another 6/12

[blurred out] > Police naming me [obviously no evidence and would have been spoken to, but still upsetting]

Supporting me how they can but can’t confirm […] I didnt do anything […..] until it’s finished