UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #18

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  • #301
I don’t know why but I’m fully expecting her to take the stand.
I hope so! She seems quite headstrong so I can imagine her doing it, even against Myer's advice if she decided that's what she wanted to do.

If she doesn't it'll be held against her, whereas if she does it could theoretically go either way. Depending on how she comes across it might work against her, or might go in her favour. So she might see it as having nothing to lose.
 
  • #302
A diary found at her then home in Westbourne Road, Chester, contained a reference to “LD twins” on an entry for April 8.

The detective asked: “LD?”

Letby replied: “Long day.”

“Twins?” said the detective.

Letby said: “That there was a twin on the unit at that time.”

The detective asked: “Does that relate to (Child L and M)?

Letby replied: “Was that the day when they were born? … Yes.”

The detective said: “Is there a reason why you put that in your diary?”

Letby said: “Because I attended their delivery.”

The defendant was then asked about entries for April 9 in which she wrote ‘LD (extra) twins resus’.

She explained: “Because I have done an extra shift and I have documented what happened on that day.”

The detective said: “To reflect on?”

Letby said: “Because that was a significant event on that day. It was an extra shift, it was my fourth long day in a row.”


 
  • #303
Think Tortoise was spot on, and it's the day she moved out of Ash House.

Oh ok. I have no idea what relevance, if any, that has. Is it to do with when she moved into her own house?

I wasn't really following the conversation and just happened to randomly land at your query and went for a look at the teddybear diary.
 
  • #304
And then I wanted to go to (Child I’s) funeral. I was unfortunately working at the time so didn’t go.”

Shown her photograph of the card, the officer asked: “Can you explain, Lucy, what that is?”

Letby said: “Yeah, I sent a sympathy card to the parents ‘cos I wasn’t able to attend the funeral.”

The detective said: “OK, is this normal practice, Lucy?”

Letby replied: “No. Well, it’s not very often that we would get to know a family as well as we did with (Child I).”

The detective said: “OK, is there a reason why you didn’t go to the funeral?”

Letby said: “I was working. I wasn’t able to change my shift. It was suggested that I could send a card via one of the other nurses who was going.”




Two things noted. One- interesting that another nurse DID go to the funeral. Two- I notice she avoids saying WHO suggested she send a card.

 
  • #305
Oh ok. I have no idea what relevance, if any, that has. Is it to do with when she moved into her own house?

I wasn't really following the conversation and just happened to randomly land at your query and went for a look at the teddybear diary.
You leave boofle alone, he’s a dog not a teddy bear lol :)
 
  • #306
And then I wanted to go to (Child I’s) funeral. I was unfortunately working at the time so didn’t go.”

Shown her photograph of the card, the officer asked: “Can you explain, Lucy, what that is?”

Letby said: “Yeah, I sent a sympathy card to the parents ‘cos I wasn’t able to attend the funeral.”

The detective said: “OK, is this normal practice, Lucy?”

Letby replied: “No. Well, it’s not very often that we would get to know a family as well as we did with (Child I).”

The detective said: “OK, is there a reason why you didn’t go to the funeral?”

Letby said: “I was working. I wasn’t able to change my shift. It was suggested that I could send a card via one of the other nurses who was going.”




Two things noted. One- interesting that another nurse DID go to the funeral. Two- I notice she avoids saying WHO suggested she send a card.

Is it normal for nurses to attend funerals in these sorts of circumstances?
 
  • #307
i can see her taking the stand. I really think it would be in her favour when the jury are faced with making a decision between the diagnosis by Dr Evans and her character and innocent behaviour. Two things at odds with each other.
 
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i can see her taking the stand. I really think it would be in her favour when the jury are faced with making a decision between the diagnosis by Dr Evans and her character and innocent behaviour. Two things at odds with each other.
Even if she broke down in tears and was barely coherent, I feel it would be in her favour to show her true face to the jury. IMO.
 
  • #310
Is it normal for nurses to attend funerals in these sorts of circumstances?
No idea. @marynnu might know. I wonder if the whole unit was sent an invite or just the nurse who was going.
 
  • #311
i can see her taking the stand. I really think it would be in her favour when the jury are faced with making a decision between the diagnosis by Dr Evans and her character and innocent behaviour. Two things at odds with each other.
We can't say if her behaviour was "innocent" or at odds with what Dr Evans and all the other experts have said is, in their opinion, the most likely explanation for each case.
 
  • #312
No idea. @marynnu might know. I wonder if the whole unit was sent an invite or just the nurse who was going.
If she is guilty and she attended the funeral
It would be the creepiest of the creepy stuff I have ever heard.

(by the way Im not sure if I used the conditional sentences right!
Argh!)

JMO
 
  • #313
If she is guilty and she attended the funeral
It would have been the creepiest of the creepy stuff I have ever heard.

(by the way Im not sure if I used the conditional sentences right!
Argh!)

JMO
Thank god she couldnt change her shift, if guilty!

(I'm no expert on condtional sentences but it reads fine to me lol)

JMO
 
  • #314
No idea. @marynnu might know. I wonder if the whole unit was sent an invite or just the nurse who was going.
Hmm I hadn’t thought of that before, the possibility that the parents may have extended an invite, perhaps to the unit or perhaps to the nurses who’d been involved in direct care. If LL had been invited, and was unable to go, then it makes the sympathy card more acceptable. JMO.
 
  • #315
Hmm I hadn’t thought of that before, the possibility that the parents may have extended an invite, perhaps to the unit or perhaps to the nurses who’d been involved in direct care. If LL had been invited, and was unable to go, then it makes the sympathy card more acceptable. JMO.
It seems unlikely IMO LL would have had a personal invite, as Baby I's mother didn't seem to be her biggest fan. It's the wording in the card and taking a photo of it, that's the weirdest part IMO.
 
  • #316
It seems unlikely IMO LL would have had a personal invite, as Baby I's mother didn't seem to be her biggest fan. It's the wording in the card and taking a photo of it, that's the weirdest part IMO.
It’s not strange considering anything involving writing she keeps like the handover notes and all the other notes as well. Strange for us not strange for her. I can see how someone would place value on such things, the writing is personal and of high value. Emotional attachment to personal correspondence is normal IMO. That sense of connection is normal. People normally value their connections with people above all other things.
 
  • #317
It’s not strange considering anything involving writing she keeps like the handover notes and all the other notes as well. Strange for us not strange for her. I can see how someone would place value on such things, the writing is personal and of high value. Emotional attachment to personal correspondence is normal IMO. That sense of connection is normal. People normally value their connections with people above all other things.
Emotional attachment to a sympathy card you wrote to a family and baby you barely knew is not in any way normal IMO. Her explanation that she kept it so she could look back at the "kind" words she wrote to "that family" as she called them, is not normal IMO.

The whole point of a sympathy card is that you're expressing sympathy for the people who have suffered the loss. It's for THEIR benefit, not your own!

JMO
 
  • #318
Is it normal for nurses to attend funerals in these sorts of circumstances?

Absolutely. If the parents inform the unit of the funeral arrangements you can assume they're happy for someone to go. It's seen as important to do so.
 
  • #319
Emotional attachment to a sympathy card you wrote to a family and baby you barely knew is not in any way normal IMO. Her explanation that she kept it so she could look back at the "kind" words she wrote to "that family" as she called them, is not normal IMO.

The whole point of a sympathy card is that you're expressing sympathy for the people who have sufferesd the loss. It's for THEIR benefit, not your own!

JMO
Im not sure, but I suspect that, IF GUILTY, she treated others in objectifying way.

Like means of satisfying her needs/compulsions.

As if their rights/feelings didn't exist.

Maybe this letter of sympathy was written and saved to deny her feeling of emotional emptiness/void?
Like a proof to herself and others that she was capable of sympathy?

JMO
 
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i can see her taking the stand. I really think it would be in her favour when the jury are faced with making a decision between the diagnosis by Dr Evans and her character and innocent behaviour. Two things at odds with each other.
What about the evidence of all of the other medical experts, doctors and Dr Bohin? Her character and behaviour aren't at all at odds with their testimony in my opinion. At times her character appears arrogant and insensitive at the very least. Her behaviour is at times highly suspicious. I really hope she does take the stand, but I'm not convinced it would be in her favour.

One thing that hasn't been reported is what she had to say to police about the mother who testified that she observed Lucy standing doing nothing while her baby screamed with blood on its face. Then she made out in her notes that the mom had visited at a different time. Now that's suspicious behaviour.
 
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