UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #18

[esther43]

I was just trying to say that even without a shredder it's easy to dispose of things. So that makes saying you don't know how to do so even more ridiculous.

Exactly!

 

[magikarpmagikarp]

Yes I can see that happening if she genuinely accidentally took home a handover note once. But she had 250 collected over a whole year. Surely that anxiety and paralysis of action would have dissipated at some point over the year and she'd realise "oh I could just put it in my shredder!"

I mean, yes if you have healthy coping skills and normal psychology. But maybe not if your coping skills are impaired.

 

[marynnu]

She might simply mean dispose of them through the proper routes.

How on earth could she not know that?

 

[Sweeper2000]

How on earth could she not know that?

Would mean taking 250 odd handover notes back to work To do it in accordance with trust rules. I can see why someone g or ng wouldn’t want to do that. I can also see why someone would just keep them ina folder locked away at the back of the cupboard as mentioned on this thread before. Ie if your not. Sure do nothing at all.

you know what though, she hasn’t explained yet why only the notes from that particular year were the ones found. I think thats damning.

 

[Sundial]

Exactly. I've torn up confidential items in this way when I had no shredder. Who wouldn't know how to dispose of the handover sheets? Ridiculous.

Same here; burnt mine. No excuse.

 

[Sundial]

She might simply mean dispose of them through the proper routes.

Which is also rubbish. Every nurse and medical professional knows where the proper route is for disposing them OR shredding them or destroying them. It is drummed into you. No excuse and certainly no excuse for that number she had.

 

[Jazmania]

I mean, yes if you have healthy coping skills and normal psychology. But maybe not if your coping skills are impaired.

This wouldn't explain why she took home the 250 odd notes in the first place. And I think it stretches credibility that if she had wanted to dispose of them she didn't know how.

 

[marynnu]

Would mean taking 250 odd handover notes back to work To do it in accordance with trust rules. I can see why someone g or ng wouldn’t want to do that. I can also see why someone would just keep them ina folder locked away at the back of the cupboard as mentioned on this thread before. Ie if your not. Sure do nothing at all.

you know what though, she hasn’t explained yet why only the notes from that particular year were the ones found. I think thats damning.

taking

It wouldn't mean taking 257 sheets to work if you hadn't kept them in the first place. And you can tear them up, shred them, burn them. Who would know?
Do w e actually know what year(s) these sheets were from?

 

[Jazmania]

Would mean taking 250 odd handover notes back to work To do it in accordance with trust rules. I can see why someone g or ng wouldn’t want to do that. I can also see why someone would just keep them ina folder locked away at the back of the cupboard as mentioned on this thread before. Ie if your not. Sure do nothing at all.

you know what though, she hasn’t explained yet why only the notes from that particular year were the ones found. I think thats damning.

Yes, presumably she either didn't collect notes before this year, or had 'remembered' how to dispose of them.

Also how does keeping some notes in a box labelled 'keep' in her parents' house fit in with this 'do nothing at all' explanation? That obviously suggests that keeping them was important to her.

In fact I think that, given that almost every handover note from the year was kept, it is really suspicious that some of the notes from babies that died in this case were not found. That suggests to me that these notes were kept somewhere very safe where the police never found them, or were destroyed.

 

[Sundial]

Yes, presumably she either didn't collect notes before this year, or had 'remembered' how to dispose of them.

Also how does keeping some notes in a box labelled 'keep' in her parents' house fit in with this 'do nothing at all' explanation? That obviously suggests that keeping them was important to her.

In fact I think that, given that almost every handover note from the year was kept, it is really suspicious that some of the notes from babies that died in this case were not found. That suggests to me that these notes were kept somewhere very safe where the police never found them, or were destroyed.

Or those not found from the babies in this case “were” disposed of in the correct route/in line with trust policy. So if she doesn’t have them and DID destroy them as she would know how to do, it contradicts her saying she didn’t know how to properly dispose of them. Where are they then?

Absolute rubbish IMO

 

[Legal]

Firstly, I'm amazed she didn't think the police would see the shredder when they searched her house or find all the handover sheets. Maybe she really didn't expect them to do a thorough search, but if guilty, these interviews seem to show her trying to talk her way out of the accusations, although the explanations are a load of rubbish IMO.

For example:

Asked about the 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS' note: "That's how it all made me feel at the time...not intentionally, but I felt if my practice was not good enough, then it made me feel like an evil person..."

Evil if you weren't a good nurse? I would say useless or incompetent or a failure, if it were me, as these just imply a lack of ability. Evil implies a deliberate intent to cause ill.

IMO IF guilty etc

 

[Sweeper2000]

I’m not questioning the fault of them being at her home only what to do with them once they are already there. Assuming she did just not empty her pockets after her shift. Assuming she did look at those notes from a conscientious POV and wanted to dispose of them per Protocol.

taking

It wouldn't mean taking 257 sheets to work if you hadn't kept them in the first place. And you can tear them up, shred them, burn them. Who would know?
Do w e actually know what year(s) these sheets were from?

All from 2015 to 2016

 

[JosieJo]

Firstly, I'm amazed she didn't think the police would see the shredder when they searched her house or find all the handover sheets. Maybe she really didn't expect them to do a thorough search, but if guilty, these interviews seem to show her trying to talk her way out of the accusations, although the explanations are a load of rubbish IMO.

For example:

Asked about the 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS' note: "That's how it all made me feel at the time...not intentionally, but I felt if my practice was not good enough, then it made me feel like an evil person..."

Evil if you weren't a good nurse? I would say useless or incompetent or a failure, if it were me, as these just imply a lack of ability. Evil implies a deliberate intent to cause ill.

IMO IF guilty etc

I'd imagine these comments are making an impact with the jury

 

[Sweeper2000]

Or those not found from the babies in this case “were” disposed of in the correct route/in line with trust policy. So if she doesn’t have them and DID destroy them as she would know how to do, it contradicts her saying she didn’t know how to properly dispose of them. Where are they then?

Absolute rubbish IMO

That’s not what she was saying. She was saying she didn’t know what to do with the once they were at home, not that she didn’t know to dispose of them after her shift As per protocol.

 

[Sundial]

I’m not questioning the fault of them being at her home only what to do with them once they are already there. Assuming she did just not empty her pockets after her shift. Assuming she did look at those notes from a conscientious POV and wanted to dispose of them per Protocol.


All from 2015 to 2016

Sure but she would still have known what to do with them. She’s not stupid imo, she would know exactly what to do with them, some of the babies listed in the trial are even missing. Did she shred those, dispose of them in the hospital confidential waste??

Thing is, you empty your pockets when you have to wash your uniform. If she’s not emptying them then they wouldn’t even be at her house, they would be a wet squishy useless mush of paper. So she’s kept them, each time. And when she goes back to work (along with her badge and lunch and everything else she needs for her shift), it doesn’t cross her mind to take back hospital confidential property, not once?
Just rack them up like collectible cards and keep them in folders or wherever? It’s damming even more so she’s now saying she hasn’t got a shredder.

So she’s got no shredder, can’t return them, can’t burn them or tear them up and doesn’t know how to dispose of them. Seriously, i can’t believe how ridiculous that sounds.

Moo

 

[Sundial]

That’s not what she was saying. She was saying she didn’t know what to do with the once they were at home, not that she didn’t know to dispose of them after her shift As per protocol.

I think you’re missing the point. She hasn’t lost the use of her hands and was capable of destroying them. She hasn’t and kept all 250 odd!
Re protocol, if you take home just one by accident, you destroy it. Surely you can see even with this her excuses are pretty laughable.
JMO

 

[JosieJo]

That’s not what she was saying. She was saying she didn’t know what to do with the once they were at home, not that she didn’t know to dispose of them after her shift As per protocol.

There was a shredder

 

[Sweeper2000]

Firstly, I'm amazed she didn't think the police would see the shredder when they searched her house or find all the handover sheets. Maybe she really didn't expect them to do a thorough search, but if guilty, these interviews seem to show her trying to talk her way out of the accusations, although the explanations are a load of rubbish IMO.

For example:

Asked about the 'I AM EVIL I DID THIS' note: "That's how it all made me feel at the time...not intentionally, but I felt if my practice was not good enough, then it made me feel like an evil person..."

Evil if you weren't a good nurse? I would say useless or incompetent or a failure, if it were me, as these just imply a lack of ability. Evil implies a deliberate intent to cause ill.

IMO IF guilty etc

I’ll give an example of how feelings rarely meet facts at all in my own experience.

iwas working at a community centre that had playgroup for toddlers. I was carrying equipment through the hall and this little boy turned around and ran straight into the equipment, huge bump on his head the poor little thing. I felt guilty as hell, so bad like I couldn’t get this sin off my hands. In reality there wasn’t much I could do. He. Turned around so quickly and ran he must not have seen me. Still feel bad about it to this day. apologised to his mum and she said do you know how often kids hurt themselves I said no. She said “everyday don’t worry”. Still did not stop me feeling bad.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I think you’re missing the point. She hasn’t lost the use of her hands and was capable of destroying them. She hasn’t and kept all 250 odd!
Re protocol, if you take home just one by accident, you destroy it. Surely you can see even with this her excuses are pretty laughable.
JMO

Yeh I know I’m not saying it isn’t unusual at all. I’m just saying if she is that much of a stickler for moral thinking she might not want to get rid of them by disposing of. Them at home. I do think the notes are strange.but again begs the question of why keep them if guilty.

Sure but she would still have known what to do with them. She’s not stupid imo, she would know exactly what to do with them, some of the babies listed in the trial are even missing. Did she shred those, dispose of them in the hospital confidential waste??

Thing is, you empty your pockets when you have to wash your uniform. If she’s not emptying them then they wouldn’t even be at her house, they would be a wet squishy useless mush of paper. So she’s kept them, each time. And when she goes back to work (along with her badge and lunch and everything else she needs for her shift), it doesn’t cross her mind to take back hospital confidential property, not once?
Just rack them up like collectible cards and keep them in folders or wherever? It’s damming even more so she’s now saying she hasn’t got a shredder.

So she’s got no shredder, can’t return them, can’t burn them or tear them up and doesn’t know how to dispose of them. Seriously, i can’t believe how ridiculous that sounds.

Moo

Is so strange.

 

[JosieJo]

12:49pm

Ms Powell recalls the review meeting was "very upsetting" for Lucy Letby and herself. She does not recall if Lucy Letby was told not to talk to several other members of staff.
"She was distraught at that point". Ms Powell said Letby was upset at what was said in the meeting, about what was suggested Letby may have done.
Ms Powell said everyone's competency was being reviewed at that time, but "not to the extent" of Letby's.
She adds she was "keen" to get Letby back on the unit.