UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #18

[katydid23]

Yes I can see that happening if she genuinely accidentally took home a handover note once. But she had 250 collected over a whole year. Surely that anxiety and paralysis of action would have dissipated at some point over the year and she'd realise "oh I could just put it in my shredder!"

How do you accidentally take them home 257 times? That is literally every working day for a year.

 

[Marantz4250b]

She told police she didn’t know what an air embolism was.

That was misreporting in the early coverage. It was cleared up later on when the details of her answers to police questions were produced.

She didn't say she didn't know what it was, more something along the lines of not knowing the specific mode of action of them or something similar.

 

[Dotta]

This wouldn't explain why she took home the 250 odd notes in the first place. And I think it stretches credibility that if she had wanted to dispose of them she didn't know how.

Im still catching up with today's news.

What I really don't get is that Police found a bag full of handover sheets (in her garage) during the SECOND arrest.

What was she thinking?
Why didn't she get rid of them as soon as she could?

 

[Sweeper2000]

How do you accidentally take them home 257 times? That is literally every working day for a year.

Another worthy question, why so many Lucy? Blatant one as well. I’m not sure how good the interviewers are tbh

 

[Marantz4250b]

What I really don't get is that Police found a bag full of handover sheets (in her garage) during the SECOND arrest.

What was she thinking?
Why didn't she get rid of them as soon as she could?

Personally, I'd be asking why on earth the police missed an entire bin liner full of these on the first search! It was over several days, after all!

 

[katydid23]

"I didn't know what to do about it" - if innocent, that could be a statement made in anxiety. Perhaps she thought, "I can't shred it at home, I must return it to work It could be the sort of inflexible over thinking that goes hand in hand with anxiety and rumination and leads to paralysis of action. JMO.

I do think the shredder was working, because there were shredded bank statements found with it.

But why take 257 of them home in the 1st place? After the first dozen times don't you try to remember to leave them at work like instructed?

It is hard for me to believe her version, because she is proud of her devotion to her job and her calm measured reactions to work details, and responsibilities. So how could she be a highly competent and skilled nurse on the unit under life and death situations but not get the hang of turning in the handover sheets?

 

[DianaWW]

Another worthy question, why so many Lucy? Blatant one as well. I’m not sure how good the interviewers are tbh

She had multiple police interviews. We’ve heard snippets. Perhaps this wasn’t reported, or deemed important enough to include. JMO.

 

[bbsaz]

Putting guilt or innocence aside for a mo, if you bear in mind that she was seriously upset at being deployed and knowing the reason for that deployment, it's not difficult imo to imagine how her mind might have been working overtime and in a very panicked manner... that if she was eg. to be found guilty of malpractice/incompetence, she then had (potentially) seven baby deaths on her hands. That's a truly terrible thing to contemplate and I can see why she'd think it would follow her for the rest of her life.

Hence her despair that no one would ever want her, and particularly not want to have children with her.

Just a thought.

For me it was because she said she would never meet anyone, not that noone would want her.

Why will she not meet anyone?

 

[katydid23]

Another worthy question, why so many Lucy? Blatant one as well. I’m not sure how good the interviewers are tbh

You are finding fault with the interviewers but not the interviewee?

 

[hyoopy]

Nope, they are going over a legal matter without the jury present tomorrow

sorry, this is really a stupid question, but what does this actually mean for a case? is this a commonplace occurrence or does it happen only occasionally?

 

[JosieJo]

Had it been reported before that there was a photo of a thank you card from parents of an alleged victim aswell as well as her sympathy card ? To me that's huge ..if there were not lots more unrelated cards on there ?

 

[esther43]

Me too after reading tweet in timeline by

@JudithMoritz
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Police question: "Why did you write 'I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough to care for them. I am a horrible evil person'? LL answer“I didn’t kill them on purpose, I felt if my practice hadn’t been right then I had killed them and that was why I wasn’t good enough"

'I felt 'if' my practice hadn't been right, that I had killed them and that was why I was not good enough'
Right. But what about those two little words 'on purpose' ?? Very important two little words IMO that she pays no reference to.
Earlier in the interview she explains that she was writing about 'how others were perceiving her' yet here she talks about it being her own feelings in relation to her own experiences...

 

[JosieJo]

Another worthy question, why so many Lucy? Blatant one as well. I’m not sure how good the interviewers are tbh

We only know snippets of what was said in court...plus the court only heard some of questions also

 

[katydid23]

And the vast majority of them did not refer to the babies she's alleged to have attacked. Strange.

Makes me wonder if there were some more incidents that were never discovered or were not strong enough evidence wise to be charged.

 

[Tortoise]

the reporting about her knowledge of air embolisms


"She told the officer she did not know a lot about air embolism – one of the methods the prosecution says she used to kill some of her alleged victims.

'We were always told to make sure there was no air in a long line because that would be dangerous to patients.

'I know that from when I first started to learn about fluids. It's something that all nursing staff are very meticulous about and are aware of the consequences of getting it wrong'.

She claimed not to know what harm an air embolism might actually cause, but was aware that 'you just didn't want it going into the bloodstream'."

Letby admits she was 'frustrated' before death of baby she 'murdered'

Letby, 33, claimed that neither she nor other staff had questioned what had caused the 'spike' of three deaths and one near-death on the neonatal unit in the single month of June eight years ago.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Cluedoneit]

Personally, I'd be asking why on earth the police missed an entire bin liner full of these on the first search! It was over several days, after all!

Perhaps because the bin liner wasn’t stored in her house during the first search and she moved them back from her parents house or desk in work?

 

[Tortoise]

Personally, I'd be asking why on earth the police missed an entire bin liner full of these on the first search! It was over several days, after all!

it's not what happened.

there were no handover sheets found in the bin bag, and they were all found during her first arrest.

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"Letby was re-arrested at her parents’ home on June 10, 2019 and November 11, 2020, the court heard.

A search of the garage at the Westbourne Road property on June 10 revealed another handwritten note found in a black bin bag.

Phrases on that note included “killing me softly”, “broken hearted” and “no-one will ever know what happened or why”."

What police saw inside Lucy Letby's Chester home at time of 2018 arrest

THIS was the scene when crime scene investigators searched Lucy Letby's home in July 2018 at the time of her arrest.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[JosieJo]

Surely you would expect any correctly trained member of staff to know this, though? In isolation, I don't see it as particularly damning.

Yes any nurse would know ... but surely the mere fact that you she had AE brought to her mind a week before is yet another "coincidence"

 

[Anxala]

For me it was because she said she would never meet anyone, not that noone would want her.

Why will she not meet anyone?

JMO here, I don't think we should take everything she says literally. Remember she's under duress here and trying to explain what was going through her head at the time. She's already acknowledged that she was beside herself with worry and fear at what this deployment might result in and that note stands firmly imo as genuine and sincere testament to that state of mind.

To expect every word out of her mouth, under such pressure, to make unambiguous sense is really neither a fair nor reasonable expectation.

I read the 'never meet anyone' more as her saying she'd never be able to have a relationship with anyone because the terrible ghost of her past, were she to be found guilty of malpractice and all the rest of it, would always be ever present and would inevitably prevent anything romantic/long-term ever developing with anyone she met in the future.

 

[Sweeper2000]

You are finding fault with the interviewers but not the interviewee?

No said earlier I thought some of what she said was strange.

why would I focus purely on her if I don’t think they are asking the right questions? No ofc not. “What did you do on your eighth birthday Lucy?”

however other people have stated we haven’t gotten everything so shrugs shoulders.