VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #28

[Dotta]

I'll go for Thursday at 3.11 for the verdict, not sure which Thursday right enough...

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[JosieJo]

Hopefully someone thought it might be a good idea to use the transcript rather than trying to find each piece of evidence...in theory it makes sense as it's possibly the only document that has everything in one place for each baby

 

[Dotta]

Hopefully someone thought it might be a good idea to use the transcript rather than trying to find each piece of evidence...in theory it makes sense as it's possibly the only document that has everything in one place for each baby

But the Summing Up was Judge's work.

And the Jury has its own job to do.
They were given ALL relevant documents - hundreds of them, in fact.

After all it is THEIR task to decide.
Not the Judge's.

That is how I understand this matter.

JMO

 

[IDK]

My apologies if this has been discussed before. I am curious if the public knows anything about the make up of the jury? For example, how many men vs. women, any health care providers, or other interesting information?

 

[Dotta]

My apologies if this has been discussed before. I am curious if the public knows anything about the make up of the jury? For example, how many men vs. women, any health care providers, or other interesting information?

4 men
8 women
That is all.

If I remember correctly.

 

[bobbymkii]

But the Summing Up was Judge's work.

And the Jury has its own job to do.
They were given ALL relevant documents - hundreds of them, in fact.

After all it is THEIR task to decide.
Not the Judge's.

That is how I uderstand this matter.

JMO

I'm with you on this one. The Summing up is to refresh their recollection before going into the jury room, not a document that they should be able to refer back to while they deliberate.
If they want reminders of certain bits of evidence or instructions they should ask on a case by case basis, not ask for the whole thing in one go!

 

[notsure]

I suppose if they were able to do shorthand, they could have noted down the judge's summing-up. Or if they had a very good memory, they could remember it all. But if not, they have no option but to sift through the thousands of pages of evidence once more... I don't envy them.

 

[IDK]

4 men
8 women
That is all.

If I remember correctly.

Thank you! I’ve wondered if men or women, in general, are more likely to convict, but can’t find any studies that are definitive one way or the other. Of course every jury is different and can be completely unpredictable anyway. Thanks for your reply!

 

[Dotta]

I suppose if they were able to do shorthand, they could have noted down the judge's summing-up. Or if they had a very good memory, they could remember it all. But if not, they have no option but to sift through the thousands of pages of evidence once more... I don't envy them.

If I were a foreperson hehe
I would decide to work in groups.

Each group would find all relevant info about some Babies.

Then we will share and discuss each case.

But Im not sure if it is allowed.

JMO

 

[JosieJo]

But the Summing Up was Judge's work.

And the Jury has its own job to do.
They were given ALL relevant documents - hundreds of them, in fact.

After all it is THEIR task to decide.
Not the Judge's.

That is how I understand this matter.

JMO

Yes I pretty much agree ...but I can also see why someone may have asked also...the summing up should be impartial and contain both the defence and prosecution main points ..but yes it's not the evidence as a whole

 

[Cluedoneit]

I’m in shock all 12 made it to deliberations. I think they should all get a week in Hawaii when it’s all over.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

I don’t think it’s unusual for the judge to turn down the request for the summing up transcript. The jury has to base their decision off the evidence they heard in the evidence stage of the trial and the summing up wasn’t in evidence.

Though they could have and IMO should have taken notes during the summing up, these are 12 random people that could be any of us. While most of us here have followed trials for years, these jurors may not have fully understood the importance of taking notes and may have assumed that transcripts would be included on their iPads so may have had a shock finding out they werent!

Do they have transcripts of the actual witness testimony including LL’s testimony? Or do they just have notes on the main points of each witness?

MOO

 

[notsure]

If I were a foreperson hehe
I would decide to work in groups.

Each group would find all relevant info about some Babies.

Then we will share and discuss each case.

But Im not sure if it is allowed.

JMO

What makes it so difficult is that there are so many alleged offences to consider, and some may be easier than others to reach a decision on.

 

[Parker Knoll]

I’m in shock all 12 made it to deliberations. I think they should all get a week in Hawaii when it’s all over.

MORE than happy to accompany them !

 

[Blondiexoxo]

If I were a foreperson hehe
I would decide to work in groups.

Each group would find all relevant info about some Babies.

Then we will share and discuss each case.

But Im not sure if it is allowed.

JMO

I think I’d choose to discuss the cases that appear to have some link such as the insulin ones first. IMO and this is just an example, if the jury found that LL was guilty of one insulin poisoning then it wouldn’t take much IMO to conclude she could well be guilty of the other. Once that had been established then going through the rest of the cases with the knowledge you already believe she has committed atleast 2 of the alleged offences, seeing how strong the evidence is that each victim was actually harmed by someone, then looking for the link between the victim and LL, was she the designated nurse? Was she in the immediate area? Did she have opportunity to be alone with the baby? Etc…

I suppose there are lots of ways they could go about it, I think some cases can be decided quickly as IMO links are quite clear, the chances of 4 sets of siblings collapsing 24 hours apart is very unlikely IMO, babies A & B, E & F, L & M and O & P, could also be the starting point to begin deliberations then going back to look at the other cases and look for links between each one.

MOO

 

[crystalline]

How long can a jury remain in this stage - I mean there must be a time limit?

 

[Dotta]

How long can a jury remain in this stage - I mean there must be a time limit?

Judge told them not to worry about the time

 

[Dotta]

"Jury have now been sent home for the day, back tomorrow."

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[notsure]

Wow, has Dan been sitting there waiting all day?

 

[Dotta]

Wow, has Dan been sitting there waiting all day?

I wouldn't mind sitting in an empty room.
Quiet at last, so many books waiting to read.
But still at work