UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #4

[Tortoise]

2:31pm

A short adjournment is now being made for preparations to be made for the next witness due to give evidence in court.

LIVE: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, October 19

 

[Powermjp]

You are correct.

Yes but this is different to what they said before they said she could have found them on "people you may know" which is not possible with how it's logged


But then this search is a drop down from the search bar. Which now is being said, but that's completely different search mechanism

The search bar, which means you previously searched them or when you type the name of first part of someone's name.

Ill be clear everything in the search bar is logged, and if you " use the drop down" yes it means you previously used the Facebook search bar to find that person and it's logged.

It will not do that on 'people you know" which is the point.that was wrong before

 

[Marantz4250b]

[above bolding mine]
That's interesting...

Indeed. But not necessarily proof of anything at all.

Is this one of the children she took photos of? "We've found these memories from 1 year ago...."

Cue a search out of concern for the parents? Doesn't seem too unreasonable if you're innocent and these events have messed you up a little bit.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I realised what you are taking about drop down.

This only comes up if you previously searches that name, I hope you know that?? It's called a suggested search!


So if she typed the first letter of the name

It's nothing like the people you may know tab.

It's like autosuggestion on Google search

Yes, I know exactly what it is. Still doesn't change the fact that the prosecution have never, to my knowledge, claimed that she physically typed anything. Sure, she will have done the first time but the fact is that every subsequent "search" may have been completed by simply clicking on a name. That changes the potential nature and intent of the search markedly, in my opinion.

 

[Tortoise]

2:38pm

The next witness to give evidence is Melanie Taylor, who is in court. She was employed as a nurse at the Countess of Chester Hospital in the neonatal unit in 2015.

LIVE: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, October 19

 

[Marantz4250b]

Was it like that in 2015?

I'm asking because I don't use FB

I have no idea. It may not have been.

I wonder if there is such thing as a FB historian?

Edit: This video is from 2014 and shows the search bar at the top of the guy's screen. I'd imagine that it had the dropdown of previous searches when you tapped it.

 

[May72031]

Indeed. But not necessarily proof of anything at all.

Is this one of the children she took photos of? "We've found these memories from 1 year ago...."

Cue a search out of concern for the parents? Doesn't seem too unreasonable if you're innocent and these events have messed you up a little bit.

Wouldn't that mean she actually made a Facebook post referring to those children, or the incident, accompanied by a photograph? Surely that is not the case.

When I use FB, it doesn't come up with "memories" based solely on a search you did. It brings up something you posted, or attended, and the like.

 

[Tortoise]

I have no idea. It may not have been.

I wonder if there is such thing as a FB historian?

There's bound to be, somewhere

 

[JosieJo]

"Catheter not ideally placed" doesn't sound good.

It's very common...the most important thing is they had an x Ray to check before using it ..which they did

 

[Powermjp]

Yes, I know exactly what it is. Still doesn't change the fact that the prosecution have never, to my knowledge, claimed that she physically typed anything. Sure, she will have done the first time but the fact is that every subsequent "search" may have been completed by simply clicking on a name. That changes the potential nature and intent of the search markedly, in my opinion.

Ok well that is very different to stumbling across all these parents profiles, on people you may know which was the first one I replied to.

And it proves she definitely searched them in that Facebook search bar at some point. And the only way that it appears from the drop down is if it's a recent visit to the account.

I'll say it this way, we know she found those parents account using the "Facebook search bar" because it's been logged.

Was it on a drop down, or did she type in the name I guess that is up for debate. But we know the time and date has been logged...

But the name only comes on a drop down if you previously searched for them.

 

[arrogantcat]

Indeed. But not necessarily proof of anything at all.

Is this one of the children she took photos of? "We've found these memories from 1 year ago...."

Cue a search out of concern for the parents? Doesn't seem too unreasonable if you're innocent and these events have messed you up a little bit.

Could even be as simple as the day sharing some other significance, eg being a friend’s birthday.
Seeing it was their birthday again on FB might remind her of how she was upset on that day last year, or similar, and prompt a search to see how the family are doing now.

 

[JosieJo]

[above bolding mine]
That's interesting...

I agree

 

[Marantz4250b]

Wouldn't that mean she actually made a Facebook post referring to those children, or the incident, accompanied by a photograph? Surely that is not the case.

When I use FB, it doesn't come up with "memories" based solely on a search you did. It brings up something you posted, or attended, and the like.

No, I'm just referring to her phone picture app suggesting "memories" from that date a year previously. That may give a strong inclination to search for the people concerned.

 

[Tortoise]

2:52pm

The court hears she came on duty at about 7.30am on June 8, the twins having been born the previous night shift.
A computerised record shows she was the designated nurse for that day shift for Child A.
Miss Taylor explains records of the various medical charts would be cotside, including hourly observations.
"The observation charts would be written as we were doing them," Miss Taylor explains.

LIVE: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, October 19

 

[arrogantcat]

- After finishing her shift, Letby searched on Facebook for Child C's parents.

- Less than 24 hours after Child C had died, at 3.52pm, Letby searched on Facebook for his parents.

- It was put to Letby, in November 2020, that she had searched for the parents of Child D on Facebook.

- The prosecution say Lucy Letby "took an unusual interest" in the family of Child E. She did social media searches on the parents two days after Child E’s death, and on August 23, September 14, October 5, November 5, December 7, and even on December 25.
The prosecution say there were further searches in January 2016.

- In November 2020, she was asked why she had searched for the parents of Child E and F. She said she thought it might be to see how Child F was doing.

- On October 5, 2015, the prosecution say Letby searched for the mum of Child H, the father of Children E and F, and the mother of Child I. It was her day off.

- A year later, on the anniversary of Child O's death, Letby carried out a search on Facebook on the surname of the child.

It will be interesting to hear these put into the broader context of her general Facebook usage. How much did she use FB generally? What else did she do in the specified sessions? Did she search other families who aren’t implicated in the trial? Was this a routine habit for most patients, or something she only did following a child’s death or near-death? (Even the latter, of course, not necessarily signifying any guilt or criminality. It could be explained as her feeling more empathy and concern in those kinds of cases).

 

[arrogantcat]

Was it like that in 2015?

I'm asking because I don't use FB

From memory, yes. I haven’t used FB much at all since around this time and I’m familiar with the feature.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Ok well that is very different to stumbling across all these parents profiles, on people you may know which was the first one I replied to.

And it proves she definitely searched them in that Facebook search bar at some point. And the only way that it appears from the drop down is if it's a recent visit to the account.

Or when you start deleting recent searches older ones appear and move up the list. I can well envisage that seeing a significant name reappear would create a significant temptation to have a look at their page.

 

[Marantz4250b]

It will be interesting to hear these put into the broader context of her general Facebook usage. How much did she use FB generally? What else did she do in the specified sessions? Did she search other families who aren’t implicated in the trial? Was this a routine habit for most patients, or something she only did following a child’s death or near-death? (Even the latter, of course, not necessarily signifying any guilt or criminality. It could be explained as her feeling more empathy and concern in those kinds of cases).

All very good points. The defence did specifically ask whether she searched parents of babies not the subject of the charges and it was confirmed that she did.

I get the impression that she was a fairly prolific FB user. Pretty much all of the pics of her in the public domain seem to have been stripped from her profile, or at least her friends profiles.

 

[arrogantcat]

Ok well that is very different to stumbling across all these parents profiles, on people you may know which was the first one I replied to.

And it proves she definitely searched them in that Facebook search bar at some point. And the only way that it appears from the drop down is if it's a recent visit to the account.

Probably a minor detail, but it doesn’t have to be ‘recent’, just most recent. Eg if you haven’t searched for anything in 2 years, then the drop down will show 2 year old suggestions (updates and cache allowing).

Facebook also test new features and tweaks on smallish groups of users quite frequently, so I hope her defence team have thoroughly investigated any beta programmes her account might have been assigned to over the relevant years. We’re not all using the same version of the platform at the same time.

 

[JosieJo]

I really struggle to justify anyone remembering an anniversary of a death