GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #33

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It’s interesting to note she is mainly avoiding eye contact. I might take a guess and say that’s due to the high tension of prolonged eye contact detracting from her capacity to calculate responses. It’s easier to focus on her response if she isn’t focused on the gaze of the officer. In essence the eye contact is taking her off her game.
 
There is a second (male) officer sitting to the right of the one (think it may be Detective Sergeant Danielle Stonier) asking the questions. I believe that's who she was looking at.

She uses 'we' all the time when answering questions in court, when she should have been answering for herself. I've made a compilation of them which I need to find.
lol you made a mixtape of her questionable habits?
 
Just rereading some of the latest news articles. I wonder if Johnson was aware of LL attending Karen Rees' leaving party in March 2018? I wonder who else was there!

“Speaking about her relationship with Letby for the first time Karen Rees, the former deputy nursing director of the Countess of Chester Hospital, said that she had believed until the conclusion of the trial that the nurse was innocent.

I have no doubt at all that she was guilty of these despicable crimes, having seen the reports of the evidence,” she said. “I did not attend the trial so I had an incomplete picture until the verdicts were announced, and more detail provided.”

Rees said she had refused to believe in Letby’s guilt because she had had regular meetings with her after her suspension from the neonatal unit in June 2016, and had “witnessed her in complete distress, crying and swearing her innocence”.

Rees said: “She was very convincing. I now know that this was a calculated and successful attempt to make me believe her story, and I was deceived, as were so many others.”

It is understood that Rees regularly met Letby for coffee in the two years after her suspension, which she said was part of her job, and that the pair met socially outside work. She had told Letby “the intention was to get her back on to the neonatal unit”, according to The Sunday Times.


When Rees retired in March 2018, four months before Letby’s arrest, the killer bought her a leaving present and attended a small farewell party.

 
I think your right but To me it looks like it’s quite a sharp reaction. Sudden compared to its preceding calm. It’s a quick and sharp jerk to look in that officers eyes. Maybe it was a burst in confidence in what she was about to say. Ll thinking “need to say something clever” then boom “got it” and that’s when she looks them straight in the eye and says it.
I'm sure she'd rehearsed that line and many others and probably used them in her grievance meetings too.
 
LL was on shift September 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th (2015).

From that article, re. M:

"In the early hours of Sept 4, the mother was woken up in the middle of the night to be told the situation had become urgent."

From the podcast re baby G: The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 9: Baby G, Part 1: “Just a little tiny thing” given just a 5% chance of survival at birth. But ‘she was a fighter.’ - The Mail.

"the evening of September the 6th is significant for two reasons, firstly it was Lucy Letby's final night of a block of four night shifts and this was the first block of night shifts she'd worked since the alleged attack on baby F almost five weeks earlier, and secondly it was significant because September the 6th was baby G's 99th day of life..."
September potential another spree month then? ( like June's spree)
Sept 4th a two-day old and Sept 6th LL had just helped w banner to celebrate 100th day for BabyG

In trying to catch-up with trial reporting, I haven't reached the days where I believe there's some testimony on post mortems which are repeated & result in very different causes of death.
Is the mother also correct that many other murdered babies were previously returned as heart & lung causes ?

Looking back, they now feel concerned about a “rash” and marks they saw appear on their daughter’s body.
Her first post-mortem examination showed “nothing”, before a second by a hospital in Liverpool said she had a rare heart and lung defect.
The problem was never picked up on scans before the birth, fuelling the mother’s fears that something – or someone – else caused her death. The Letby jury heard how some of the babies the nurse has now been convicted of harming had damage to their heart or lungs.
“In my heart, I don’t believe that it was some kind of heart defect,”
 
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September potential another spree month then? ( like June's spree)
Sept 4th a two-day old and Sept 6th LL had just helped w banner to celebrate 100th day for BabyG

In trying to catch-up with trial reporting, I haven't reached the days where I believe there's some testimony on post mortems which are repeated & result in very different results.
Is the mother also correct that many other murdered babies were previously returned as heart & lung causes ?

Looking back, they now feel concerned about a “rash” and marks they saw appear on their daughter’s body.
Her first post-mortem examination showed “nothing”, before a second by a hospital in Liverpool said she had a rare heart and lung defect.
The problem was never picked up on scans before the birth, fuelling the mother’s fears that something – or someone – else caused her death. The Letby jury heard how some of the babies the nurse has now been convicted of harming had damage to their heart or lungs.
“In my heart, I don’t believe that it was some kind of heart defect,”

These are both tricky ones with babies with conditions that could have caused death so I can see why police didn't proceed with them, or why they may have been ruled out by Dr Evans. That's not to say I don't think she could have been involved. Alvin seems very much the kind of baby she would go for because of his existing condition, and the fact that his sister had died from it.

The other case with the baby boy who LL made the mothers day card for is interesting as he was born within the 12 month indictment period (Feb 2016) yet, unlike Alvin and Baby M this baby's parents weren't contacted by police as part of the original investigation, so presumably were never part of the list of unexpected collapses.(Though police are investigating now).

 
Just rereading some of the latest news articles. I wonder if Johnson was aware of LL attending Karen Rees' leaving party in March 2018? I wonder who else was there!

“Speaking about her relationship with Letby for the first time Karen Rees, the former deputy nursing director of the Countess of Chester Hospital, said that she had believed until the conclusion of the trial that the nurse was innocent.

I have no doubt at all that she was guilty of these despicable crimes, having seen the reports of the evidence,” she said. “I did not attend the trial so I had an incomplete picture until the verdicts were announced, and more detail provided.”

Rees said she had refused to believe in Letby’s guilt because she had had regular meetings with her after her suspension from the neonatal unit in June 2016, and had “witnessed her in complete distress, crying and swearing her innocence”.

Rees said: “She was very convincing. I now know that this was a calculated and successful attempt to make me believe her story, and I was deceived, as were so many others.”

It is understood that Rees regularly met Letby for coffee in the two years after her suspension, which she said was part of her job, and that the pair met socially outside work. She had told Letby “the intention was to get her back on to the neonatal unit”, according to The Sunday Times.


When Rees retired in March 2018, four months before Letby’s arrest, the killer bought her a leaving present and attended a small farewell party.

I wouldn't be surprised if Johnson KC/LEnforcement had evidence that some senior managers attended events, such as Chester Race days, on the days she did.
If that's right, they could be saving those photos for the public Inquiry.

Wouldn't be surprised if LL availed herself of some corporate hospitality.

The more that is revealed about the management the worse it gets.
- Ian Harvey is reported to have quipped - after being warned there'll be a public inquiry 'They'll have to find me first.' ( He moved to France and has done a moonlight flit this week)

- Karen Rees has swapped sides overnight & claims she's now a victim herself
- Alison Kelly has been suspended and is being investigated by her professional regulator
- Tony Chambers reportedly spent a great deal of time with Lucy and her dad John.

Here's Tony in April 2016 commenting on CoC's negligence record. He's not commenting on the deaths in neonatal because they haven't gone public with those yet.
In April 2016 he was still battling consultants and shoring up a cover-up on Letby. This news article is approx a week after LL attempts to murder twins L & M

'......a great deal of effort that we have put into improving the culture of reporting with a real emphasis on openness, transparency and speaking out safely. That is what we value. We know we are not perfect, but we will not stop pursuing perfection.”

Alison Kelly, director of nursing and quality at the hospital, added: “While these cases are rare and tragic, we cannot ever be complacent about patient safety.


In reality, during April 2016 Chambers & Kelly were still obstructing, as can be seen in the timeline. Behind the scenes they're all obstructing investigations but in public for PR purposes they're claiming patient safety comes first Timeline of Lucy Letby’s attacks on babies and when alarm was raised

Lying for this crew comes very easy

By the time the Inquiry hears witness, it wouldn't surprise me if at least one of them claims PTSD to avoid an appearance. ( Becaues that's what CEO Martin Yeates did during Stafford Hospital scandal. Once the Inquiry had ended he was recovered from his PTSD and took another CEO post elsewhere. Remarkable recovery)
 
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These are both tricky ones with babies with conditions that could have caused death so I can see why police didn't proceed with them, or why they may have been ruled out by Dr Evans. That's not to say I don't think she could have been involved. Alvin seems very much the kind of baby she would go for because of his existing condition, and the fact that his sister had died from it.

The other case with the baby boy who LL made the mothers day card for is interesting as he was born within the 12 month indictment period (Feb 2016) yet, unlike Alvin and Baby M this baby's parents weren't contacted by police as part of the original investigation, so presumably were never part of the list of unexpected collapses.(Though police are investigating now).

Here's another possible LL attack,LL's night shift Nov 2013
Lung collapse of a premature baby girl, Felicity. ( It doesn't state how premature she was

'She was doing fine in the days before and breathing well for herself.

'She was doing so well that a nurse - who I believe was Lucy Letby - told Mike to go home because he was looking so tired.

'I went to the ward and as I was walking towards the cot saw Lucy standing over it. She looked up at me then walked away.

'Then I walked towards the cot and within what seemed like seconds - although it could have been longer - all the beepers started going off and all hell broke loose.'
.......Cheshire Police has said that there was 'nothing untoward established' in Felicity's case but the position could be assessed with new information.

new link: Lol that Mail are showing Chambers house, Smithills Coaching House, presumably paid for by taxpayers payoff and NDA deal?
Pictured: £550k flat Lucy Letby boss retired to with £1.5m pension
 
Did anyone see the Wagatha Christie (Vardy vs Rooney) libel trial. It wouldn’t surprise me if managers phones are swallowed by stray waves just before they are required to present them to the inquiry. Tony Chambers, with his closeness to Letby and her family, will likely have some very dodgy messages on his phone to Letby’s dad in my opinion.
 
Scary conclusion to an interesting article in today's Telegraph

'Britain’s babies are at the mercy of a broken system​

The shocking case of killer nurse Lucy Letby has highlighted a string of wider failings in maternity care'


comment from Gill Walton, RCM chief executive ( Royal College Medicine)

'“Letby could have got away with what she did at any unit in the NHS”, she says. “Anyone who says otherwise is lying. But it will be interesting to see who will be scapegoated. And devastating when the next catastrophe is uncovered.”

Telegraph have a nerve though ( Decades approving of policies which deregulate, under-fund and asset-strip the NHS)
 
There’s a real sadness here, all the families who have had a baby in coch nicu in the relevant time periods are going to now be holding onto the idea their baby may have been murdered (which they may have been!) I can’t imagine what that does to your grief process after spending many years having a definitive cause of death for your baby, and coming to terms with that.

I’m not sure that any of these parents will ever feel secure with the idea their babies weren’t murdered (even if they genuinely weren’t) that’s an awful limbo to live with the rest of your life.
 
Scary conclusion to an interesting article in today's Telegraph

'Britain’s babies are at the mercy of a broken system​

The shocking case of killer nurse Lucy Letby has highlighted a string of wider failings in maternity care'


comment from Gill Walton, RCM chief executive ( Royal College Medicine)

'“Letby could have got away with what she did at any unit in the NHS”, she says. “Anyone who says otherwise is lying. But it will be interesting to see who will be scapegoated. And devastating when the next catastrophe is uncovered.”

Telegraph have a nerve though ( Decades approving of policies which deregulate, under-fund and asset-strip the NHS)
Agree. The NHS is overwhelmingly underfunded compared to head of population for any developed economy and is one of lowest is europe(think Bulgaria better, which is not to diss Bulgaria but point out discrepancy in economies) and the culture stems directly from politicians because healthcare affects votes and that’s why there’s all this money poured into PR for trusts unfortunately. It frankly disgusts me, I’ve found this case and management of it highly triggering. I don’t think it’s true she’s have got away with it anywhere else - thankfully there are departments who would have raised and investigated these concerns professionally. There is some widespread dodgy management in the NHS but many remain good people with integrity, intelligence and successful working relationships. That just wasn’t the Countess of Chester.

Also agree the Telegraph reporting during Covid was frightful and quite literally said that economically it might have benefits by killing off dependents. They actually published that!! JMO
 
“Speaking about her relationship with Letby for the first time Karen Rees, the former deputy nursing director of the Countess of Chester Hospital, said that she had believed until the conclusion of the trial that the nurse was innocent.

I have no doubt at all that she was guilty of these despicable crimes, having seen the reports of the evidence,” she said. “I did not attend the trial so I had an incomplete picture until the verdicts were announced, and more detail provided.”

Rees said she had refused to believe in Letby’s guilt because she had had regular meetings with her after her suspension from the neonatal unit in June 2016, and had “witnessed her in complete distress, crying and swearing her innocence”.

Rees said: “She was very convincing. I now know that this was a calculated and successful attempt to make me believe her story, and I was deceived, as were so many others.”

It is understood that Rees regularly met Letby for coffee in the two years after her suspension, which she said was part of her job, and that the pair met socially outside work. She had told Letby “the intention was to get her back on to the neonatal unit”, according to The Sunday Times.


When Rees retired in March 2018, four months before Letby’s arrest, the killer bought her a leaving present and attended a small farewell party.

For G's sake!

"Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt."

Mark Twain
 
The video below speculates on possible motives during a couple of periods.

here's all her move dates from post on page 23

'Mr Johnson says Letby completed a three-year nursing course, during which time Letby confirms she was living in student accommodation in Chester, in more than one place, changing each academic year.

Letby says she began her employment in January 2012. Before that time, she went back to her parents' place in Hereford*, and then moved to Ash House when obtaining her job.

She then went to a flat of one of her colleagues, living there alone from March 15, 2014 to June 1, 2015, then back to Ash House. She moved to her Westbourne Road home in April 2016#


Graduates 2011, briefly at home with parents * after graduation and before she takes up her new job.
7 different moves so am not sure his No 1 clue works particularly alongside so much evidence that she was always volunteering for night shifts and was integrated amongst her social circle and viewed her clique at NNU as her everything, her family.

AFAIK police restricted their initial net between two dates - June to June but they're now on their next phase looking at a wider date range. So it might be a bit early to conclude that Junes are the key. Somebody else on WS might want to speak to the reasons for a 12 month indictment period because I haven't been following the case long enough to know the background to that
 
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