UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #36

[Phoenix Lazarus]

Notorious criminals will be 'forced' into dock for sentencing

Shabana Mahmood has promised a new law will be published by the summer

www.standard.co.uk

I see the thinking behind it. However, I fear some offenders so compelled may make a scene, shout abuse, etc, causing upset to victim's families.

 

[Marantz4250b]

The past president of the statistical society is irrelevant in this case. The evidence was not based upon statistics. That guy was just looking for attention the whole time and spouting nonsense.

Agreed entirely!

Statistics were barely mentioned in the whole ten month trial.

Even the chart showing her shifts coinciding with the deaths and collapses she was charged with is not strictly "statistical" evidence. It's just a chart of coinciding events. As with every other piece of evidence presented, it does not prove of itself that she was guilty. It was the entire weight of the evidence which convicted her, the chart being one small piece of it.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I see the thinking behind it. However, I fear some offenders so compelled may make a scene, shout abuse, etc, causing upset to victim's families.

As I mentioned before. If they do then taze them or something. Gag them and tie them to a chair if need be.

 

[mrC]

the cps seem not to want to hand evidence over https://archive.ph/jLlCx

 

[Marantz4250b]

the cps seem not to want to hand evidence over https://archive.ph/jLlCx

I have to say that I'm rapidly losing respect for David Davis!

It is entirely inappropriate to promote personal causes via Parliament's proceedings, causes which involve legal matters which have already been adjudicated by the courts - including the appeal courts - and which were undertaken over many, many months. Years if you include the police investigations and CPS work.

If every MP were to use his Parliamentary time to pursue cases they thought were miscarriages or other personal crusades which have little benefit to the greater public good then none of the actually important stuff would ever get done.

Were he bringing to light a genuinely questionable conviction and had solid new evidence to support it than that would be one thing. Even then, however, the proper course of action is through the legal system and not through wasting Parliamentary time.

The speaker really needs to put the brakes on people doing this, imo.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Ahhhh … Sarah strikes again.
Yawn.

 

[May72031]

I have to say that I'm rapidly losing respect for David Davis!

I can't say I ever had any respect for Davis, or most of all the other Letbyists. But I am alarmed at John Sweeney's decline and descent into lunacy. Also, WTH is going on at The Telegraph?

 

[Sweeper2000]

Potential for the medical conclusions by Dr Evans and crew to be challenged here. I doubt it will be high impact though. probably wont change mch for me as i think the criminal element to these cases has been proven. wasn't just the med evidence that got her the G all in all, I think that was either point b or c in the prosecutions case in terms of strength as the AE was never conclusively proven but the insulin was for example, proving a criminal element.

My research was misused to convict Lucy Letby — so I did my own inquiry

Dr Shoo Lee, a neonatalist whose 30-year-old paper was pivotal in the nurse’s trial, and an expert panel have re-examined the case and reached ‘explosive’ conclusions

www.thetimes.com

 

[Anxala]

When is this ridiculous and dangerous click-baity nonsense going to end?

I can't for the life of me understand what's driving it.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The papers, however, show that when the doctor originally looked at the 28 cases, Letby was not in the hospital when 10 of the 28 incidents he initially described as “suspicious” took place – more than a third.

The jury was not told this information in court. They were instead told by prosecuting counsel Nick Johnson KC that Letby was “the one common denominator” in unexplained deaths or incidents at the Cheshire hospital.

The four questions from the Lucy Letby case as defence to unveil new evidence

Letby’s legal team is expected to announce 'new medical evidence' from a panel of international neonatal experts

inews.co.uk

 

[Moll]

The CCRC is apparently now involved.

Criminal Cases Review Commission to look into Lucy Letby case

Letby, who is serving 15 whole life terms in jail, has a defence team including barrister Mark McDonald (top centre) and expert Dr Shoo Lee (left) who will outline details of an independent review.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Baby baby Jane]

The CCRC is apparently now involved.

Criminal Cases Review Commission to look into Lucy Letby case

Letby, who is serving 15 whole life terms in jail, has a defence team including barrister Mark McDonald (top centre) and expert Dr Shoo Lee (left) who will outline details of an independent review.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Cynically, are the LL “supporters” who are spinning all this “wrongful conviction” getting paid? Surely all the reviews are creating or perpetuating jobs … is this the economic growth for UK?
The money could be better spent on victims or crime prevention IMO … because there is zero chance she will have all the guilty of murder overturned .

 

[Marantz4250b]

This is an altogether despicable way to go about appealing a case such as this. Lawyers need to be stepped on hard when they try to do appeals via media/public opinion.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The serial baby killer's last hope to overturn her convictions and show herself as a victim of a miscarriage of justice hinges on new evidence, to be presented on Tuesday.

Retired neonatologist Dr Shoo Lee will reveal details of an independent review into the causes of death and non-fatal collapses of the children she is accused of hurting tomorrow.

Lucy Letby is 'very much engaged' with bid to prove her innocence

The serial baby killer's last hope to overturn her convictions and show herself as a victim of a miscarriage of justice hinges on new evidence, to be presented on Tuesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ColourPurple]

The CCRC is apparently now involved.

Criminal Cases Review Commission to look into Lucy Letby case

Letby, who is serving 15 whole life terms in jail, has a defence team including barrister Mark McDonald (top centre) and expert Dr Shoo Lee (left) who will outline details of an independent review.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This is old news. It’s being spun to look like the CCRC have caved under pressure from McDonald’s December press conference and his recent claims, but the quote from the CCRC is actually from the minutes of a board meeting in September 2024, so they’d started setting up a team in September long before these recent claims.

The decision to establish a team to consider the case was revealed at a meeting of the CCRC board. The minutes of a meeting last September read: ‘The commission had yet to receive an application on behalf of Ms Letby, although one was expected.

‘Given the likely complexity of the review, a senior case review manager, group leader and nominated decision maker had been assigned and preliminary reading and familiarisation was under way. The team would be expanded once the application was received.’

 

[Ruthbullock]

Cynically, are the LL “supporters” who are spinning all this “wrongful conviction” getting paid? Surely all the reviews are creating or perpetuating jobs … is this the economic growth for UK?
The money could be better spent on victims or crime prevention IMO … because there is zero chance she will have all the guilty of murder overturned .

Let’s say she’s guilty of some, but there is some other form of poor practice that led to other deaths- it’s important that is discovered. Not just for the victims in this case, but for other babies in the future who are still vulnerable. If information was not shared or was presented in a way that is disputed by the professionals who wrote those papers- then that doesn’t mean LL will be cleared of every death, but it does mean that areas that perhaps needed more investigation may get looked at again. When these people are making comments in the press, they never state she is innocent, nor are they usually medically commenting on every death as there were different causes.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Let’s say she’s guilty of some, but there is some other form of poor practice that led to other deaths- it’s important that is discovered. Not just for the victims in this case, but for other babies in the future who are still vulnerable. If information was not shared or was presented in a way that is disputed by the professionals who wrote those papers- then that doesn’t mean LL will be cleared of every death, but it does mean that areas that perhaps needed more investigation may get looked at again. When these people are making comments in the press, they never state she is innocent, nor are they usually medically commenting on every death as there were different causes.

Trust me she ain't getting cleared of all of them if any. I doubt it will change a thing. The butterfly needle one will be one to look out for I think.

 

[Moll]

Lucy Letby application received by Criminal Cases Review Commission - Criminal Cases Review Commission

The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) has received an application on behalf of Lucy Letby, the former nurse convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven others.

ccrc.gov.uk

Also the Independent and Telegraph are running her defence press conference live now.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I've just had a brief skip through of what they are claiming is "new" evidence. It really isn't anything of the sort. None of what they are saying was unavailable at the original trials. They could have easily have presented all of this in the first instance. The court was not under any pressure of time. The first trial went on for ten months and would have gone on for whatever length of time was required for the defence to provide evidence.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I've just had a brief skip through of what they are claiming is "new" evidence. It really isn't anything of the sort. None of what they are saying was unavailable at the original trials. They could have easily have presented all of this in the first instance. The court was not under any pressure of time. The first trial went on for ten months and would have gone on for whatever length of time was required for the defence to provide evidence.

found that almost impossible to follow tbh. except dr lee saying his group are the best of the best.