UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #36

[magikarpmagikarp]

Link for above quote by Dr ZA.
07/10/2024 – Transcript of Week 5 Day 1 | The Thirlwall Inquiry

 

[magikarpmagikarp]

Well, why cats? I asked myself about toxoplasmosis. About 11.8% of people had it in their lives. Google to help you if you are interested!
I checked "asymptomatic carriers" and the list was huge. It is an interesting thing to consider. I am trying to look through more rational explanations before "she killed them".

Toxo does not present as these collapses did. Utterly implausible. Certainly not a "more rational" explanation.

Just my opinion!

ETA- also unless you are talking about Vertical transmission (between mother and baby, which you are not), toxo is typically transmitted by ingesting fecal matter!

 

[Charlot123]

Toxo does not present as these collapses did. Utterly implausible. Certainly not a "more rational" explanation.

Just my opinion!

ETA- also unless you are talking about Vertical transmission (between mother and baby, which you are not), toxo is typically transmitted by ingesting fecal matter!

I thought that living in a house with a cat that had a litter box was enough of a risk factor.

However: in a way, you are right, though. I understand that my attempt to explain why babies died in the presence of Lucy just means the same, that I subscribed to the doctors’ logical fallacy, that they did. And I am wondering if it is some superstitious aberration. I also believe that we shall not arrive at any conclusion by discussing who thought what about Lucy.

Perhaps, time has come to explore changes in finances/funding/structure/issues in labor and delivery unit/catchment area/retirement or moving of experienced doctors from NICU and L@D, you know, all the logistics that could provide better answers.

After all, unit mortality without root/causation is a moot point. The problem is, no one has access to COCH statistics. Everyone is discussing the emotional side of it, understandably, but there are facts that we don’t know, and fact-based analysis we are not privy to.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Doctors fallacy?

Superstitious aberration?

What on earth?

 

[mrC]

interview with dr lee on talk tv where it clearly states hes not getting paid

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887110558081544521

 

[mrC]

still uninexplianed is the other 10 baby deaths when lucy letby wasn't there

 

[Tortoise]

still uninexplianed is the other 10 baby deaths when lucy letby wasn't there

But she was there. This chart doesn't include the deaths of triplets O&P which would be on sheet 2.

INQ0010072 – Sheet 1 of Report from the Countess of Chester Hospital, mapping staff members on duty | The Thirlwall Inquiry

It also shows her hours were comparable to the other nurses.

 

[mrC]

she was only charged with 7 murders when there were 17 deaths so the prosecution must exxept she was not responsible for 10 of them

 

[Tortoise]

she was only charged with 7 murders when there were 17 deaths so the prosecution must exxept she was not responsible for 10 of them

December 2024 -

Lucy Letby has been interviewed by police in prison under caution as part of ongoing investigations into more baby deaths, Cheshire Constabulary has confirmed.

The force said it had "recently" spoken to the former neonatal nurse over deaths and non-fatal collapses at the Countess of Chester Hospital and Liverpool Women’s Hospital.

Lucy Letby interviewed in prison over baby deaths and collapses

The serial killer nurse has been interviewed over more deaths and collapses at two hospitals.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[mrC]

yes they have spocken to her but they havent charged her with any more speaking to someone means nothing

 

[joltz]

yes they have spocken to her but they havent charged her with any more speaking to someone means nothing

Still, we know for a fact that Letby murdered 7 babies and attempted to murder multiple others. Its perfectly plausible that they suspected Letby of other attacks or deaths but did not have enough evidence for the CPS threshold. The investigation is ongoing and she has been questioned about in relation to suspicious events elsewhere. Time will tell.

 

[mrC]

i think she might not of been charged with the other 10 due to the fact she wasn't there when they happend

 

[marynnu]

she was only charged with 7 murders when there were 17 deaths so the prosecution must exxept she was not responsible for 10 of them

There were 6 other deaths at Chester during the period in question. Letby was present for 5 of them. The remaining 4 were at other hospitals.

 

[mrC]

there were 10 babys at the hospital she was not charged with and the jury were not aware of this source here

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[mrC]

Cracks in Lucy Letby case are now gaping holes

Evidence that helped secure murder convictions against nurse challenged by respected experts

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[marynnu]

there were 10 babys at the hospital she was not charged with and the jury were not aware of this source here

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That report is incorrect. There were 13 deaths at Chester and 4 elsewhere. Infant deaths are recorded at the referring hospital, that's why they appear in the figures for Chester. If the 13 which took place at Chester, she was present at 12.

 

[Sweeper2000]

some of those articles have some information that is potentially important but i think its laready been covered. For instance dr j and the breathing tube, the babies blood gas is always monitored so the gas leakage dr lee refers to would have been dealt with at the time, any drop in oxygen saturation would have sent the alarms off but it didn't did it? thats throughout the stay and the one time dr j did see the baby struggling was when alone with herself and the alarm not ringing like it had been prevented from doing so or silenced. its not like these docs were not trying to care for them.

this article is interesting as well. if he really does think LL hasnt done wrong then why is he concerned about a wrongful conviction? to me that means he can see how bad she looks.

The chief executive of the Countess of Chester Hospital was worried about a "wrongful conviction" after Lucy Letby was arrested, a public inquiry has heard.

Hospital chief was 'concerned about wrongful conviction' after Lucy Letby's arrest, inquiry told

A senior official at the Countess of Chester hospital said she had a "quite bizarre" conversation with the chief executive about the possibility of Letby's wrongful conviction.

news.sky.com

 

[Sweeper2000]

That report is incorrect. There were 13 deaths at Chester and 4 elsewhere. Infant deaths are recorded at the referring hospital, that's why they appear in the figures for Chester. If the 13 which took place at Chester, she was present at 12.

which i have read is actually similar to other hsopiatls of the same calibre.

 

[Charlot123]

interview with dr lee on talk tv where it clearly states hes not getting paid

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887110558081544521

For sure he is not getting paid. His article written almost forty years ago, when he probably was a resident or a young doctor and described livido reticularis as one of the observations in air embolism, has been pulled out and now basing on it, the term “Lee sign” has been coined and a young nurse is accused of killing preemies on a subpar NICU because three times, doctors observed it on the bodies of the demised babies. Medicine advances; these days some doctors offer a broader explanation of livido reticularis, and Dr. Lee, to give him credit, with all his degrees and stellar status, reviews his article, adds new information and moreover, rushes to UK to do everything humanely possible to help Lucy.

I can bet that he is not paid and would refuse the money. In my eyes, he is a man of decency and integrity.

It is not his fault that some doctors in UK misunderstood his article. It is not his fault that the NICU light, quite possibly, played a trick on them. Least of all is it his fault that the consultants are not a common presence on the unit and interns and nurses are stretched too thin.

 

[joltz]

i think she might not of been charged with the other 10 due to the fact she wasn't there when they happend

You've got to that wrong. There was 6 at Chester and Letby was on shift for 5.